The script was AWFUL! And Clooney certainly did not do his best... Uma was great though... Arnold just wasn't right for the role, I mean I just couldn't see him as a genius scientist....
wow is that the BEST answer you can come up with? yes it made money but your ignoring my point that if it was so good it never would have had such a huge significant dropoff at the box office for the sequel.I mean look at xmen.the falloff from the box office from the first film to the second film was not that huge.why? because the first film was pretty good and the second one was even better.
yep.just like the burton batman films. as I said,the ONE and ONLY Good Batman film is Begins.Schumacher screwed up in casting every bit as much as Burton did in casting an important character.Just like Burton screwed up casting Keaton for batman,Schumacher screwed up casting O'donnel as Robin.The guy was wayyyy too old to be adopted.He looked about the same age as Kilmer did for crying out loud.
actually X-Men 2 did much better at the box office than the first film did.I just checked at IMDB and while the first film grossed a little over 150 million,x-2 did a lot better at 217 million.Usually sequels dont do as well as the original film and I would have no case that Batman 89 wasnt a good movie if the dropoff had only been just a little like 30 or 40 million,but 100 million? please give me a break,That speaks volumes that there were millions that left the theaters back then such as myself disgusted with the first film enough not to venture back to see the second film. Movie goers for the first x-men film obviously loved it enough to come back in droves to see the second film.Thats why Terminater two did so great and surpassed the original terminater at the box office because like the first film,it was a well made movie.Not so with the third film and thats why it bombed at the box office.
wait so you're saying Batman Returns did not do as well since many people hated the first one like you did, but Xmen 2 did really well since the first one was GOOD. oh then same with Spider-man...people loved the first one so much they came back in drones for the second. But I thought you hate Spider-man and thought X-men betrayed the characters...now you're saying they're good???
Oh nm, I got it--OTHER people thought it was good, but WHY?
Wait for it...
It's cuz "most moviegoers enjoy watching Crap!"
sheesh, giving me all those Box office results is making me think that's what you're basing how good a movie is, and I KNOW YOU would NEVER do such a thing....
Batman 1989 did well simply because it was a great film. The fact that the sequel didn't do as well has little to do with its predecessor--it simply wasn't that good of a film compared to the first one. That I can agree with you on.
Saying "majority of moviegoers enjoy watching crap" is pretty much the way to end this argument.
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errrr no,Batman 89 did so well because of the name-Batman alone. thats the same case of spider-man as well of course.Without the well built in audiences they have always had over the years and the extreme popularity of the characters,no way are they the blockbusters at the movies they are. movies like daredevil or elecktra dont have anywhere near the popularity as characters as they do so they are not going to do anywhere near as well at the box office.same with x-men.
Sm 2 didnt have the dramatic dropoff at the box office like Batman Returns did because unlike Batman Returns, even though its not a very good movie,it wasnt near as horrible as the first film was so thats why that film unlike Batman Returns, did not have a huge significant dropoff at the box office like Batman Returns did. Sure Batman Returns didnt do near as well at the box office as the first film because it wasnt as good as the first one as you agree,but it ALSO had to do with how it pissed off the fans.Have you seen the people that have come on this thread and voiced their disgust for the burton movies? this is just the NET we are talking about.That doesnt count the thousands of others out there who dont get on the net to discuss their disgust over them.
Yes I thought the x-men costumes betrayed the characters and the movie doesnt deserve to be called x-men because of that.But unlike the batman or man-spider movies,they had what those movies lack.A good storyline which is the most important thing for a movie.As a comicbook adaptation,unlike Batman Begins or Superman one and two,it sucks.But as a movie on its own merits, its a pretty good movie because it has what the batman and spider-man films DONT have.A good story behind them.
Well, there are probably just as many people who loved the burton movies who don't get on the NET to voice their enjoyment of the burton movies. it works both ways. same with Begins, some people enjoyed it while others didn't. People have different opinions!!!
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great paragraph good ... always voice your opinions ... i agree totally despite what people will say otherwise. i'm not much of a batman fan, but i agree that you can have your say and that what you said is completely valid
a discussion involves many people and if everyone always agrees with each other, then it cant be called a discussion anymore. just read the title of this thread and look back at what you just wrote ... stupid huh? Mr Parker was not whining but merely having his say in a perfectly debatable topic. what's this supposed to mean: **************************************************
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It's just every dicussion at all involving Batman or BR involves Mr Parker coming onto it and bashing Burton whether that is related to the dicussion or not!
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yeah but I also see that they provoke him a lot to do it...of course if you say something in his direction he'll try to find a way to bash the movie even more even if it makes no sense or not.
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Maybe mr Paker is too passioned and over the top in his posts, but he is always honest with his point of view and one day say a thing about a movie and one year later he thinks the same thing about that movie. That is a fact that many other poster couldnt day.
By the way, he isnt agressive or insults in his posts, are other who insults and provokes him.
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The reason I changed my views on Burton is not because of people here but I rewatched it for the st time in 10 years and B89 had some good bits... it's no Batman Begins, and no Nightmare before Chritsmas either, but it was good!
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LOL, it's jut getting boring:
you get a thread like:
"What was the best thing about the Burton movies" or something then you get a couple of replies like:
"Catwoman" or "Joker" and Mr Parker comes along and says" Nothing, thehy were crap..." and it ends up a row about how mcuh better BB is than Burtons...
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LOL, OK. It's funny that DraconaInVolata reports me when I post anything in the Avengers thred yet I never report her trolling Avengers in the syndicate...
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as I said,the ONE and ONLY Good Batman film is Begins.Schumacher screwed up in casting every bit as much as Burton did in casting an important character.Just like Burton screwed up casting Keaton for batman,Schumacher screwed up casting O'donnel as Robin.The guy was wayyyy too old to be adopted.He looked about the same age as Kilmer did for crying out loud.
good ... always voice your opinions ... i agree totally despite what people will say otherwise. i'm not much of a batman fan, but i agree that you can have your say and that what you said is completely valid
i couldnt have said it better myself
