its also the same reason that makes it harder for any woman to report rape. Make sure you not only scream at the rapers but the women that cry wolf............
I am not desperate for winning some idiotic battle if you assume that (you probably recognise that because that is the case with you), I am defending myself because I choose to do so.I don't care about a wishlist and you keeping to force your view on me and mocking me isn't convincing.
And no, you don't state that you want a battle but you certainly come across as it, don't lie to yourself that you are so innocent with all that calling me out nonsense.I'm not using anything as an excuse because I stand neutral in this dumb discussion. But it's still rediculous that you expect so much from teenagers going out and following the crowd. And just because one government has certain rules doesn't mean that kids really do realise the small chance of danger involved with something wich seems as normal according to the general opinion of everybody.You are greatly exagurating like a small child again. Men get aroused by curves and skin, is that an excuse for pushing it upon women to watch everything they wear?
But you are relying way too much on the clothing thing anyway, as if that is the conclusive factor in the decision of trying everything they can to get in her pants (as far as rape). In your opinion it evidently is a major factor but I'm staying realistic; I know that it matters little and certainly doesn't force men to commit rape.You might want to stop ripping my texts out of context and respond to them appropriately.
Hence why I said that you shouldn't discuss in a stupid way like this because it only creates confusion about what we are actually talking about. If you don't get it anymore then you shouldn't look at me.Quite putting words in my mouth to make me look like a fool, it is childish and useless. You keep exagurating everything to get you out of this pointless discussion. Of course there can be situations where men actually get mixed signals and don't get that she actually doesn't want to have intercourse but is that what you want to say? You know damn well that I was speaking generally as paranoid occasions like these rarely happen. But a man just shouldn't stick his dick in a heavily intoxicated girl anyway. But to return to the original message wich was "we should discourage putting any degree of blame on girls who were raped because most are too scared or confused to report it anyway", you want to have a discussion about this.. Why?I'll adress this specifically again.
You believe that everybody agrees with you. That's fine although irrelevant. And you discovered that I am quite unintelligent. Is that why you "called me out"? Your arrogant persona apperantly expects a lot from me although I am just a random internet user.
Either way, it's totally unnecessary to keep hammering on me that you think I'm stupid, it makes you come across as frustrated.Yeah, I'm making everything up and it was my evil plan all along to annoy you from the second I came in.
"Did she do all in her power to make sure she isn't inviting it? No." You keep ignoring my comments that you expect too much of teenagers and that you question that a brain isn't fully developt yet till a certain age has become irrelevant as you ripped it out of context and started using it everywhere.Of course she should expect it, but it's not a perfect world and young people still don't realise the immediate danger wich you stress on with their clothing. I certainly don't expect people who still aren't adult yet to just realise every danger.
As for your exagurated examples, just stop trying to match that up with this case. It's far from convincing.No, you could have expected that I came to defend myself to all those comment about me not grasping reality and being stupid just because I don't agree with you.
And don't claim that you have been easy on me. You may be anonymous about the actual emotion behind you stories but you come across as frustrated with constantly telling me your opinion about my intelligenceYeah, I am so 'wreckless' and dangerous because I defend the action of teenagers like I do.
You act as if I have the ability to change the world with my opinion. My view wich you are very poorly battling isn't dangerous to anyone.Oh my god! I finally realise it! Those clothing just invites men to rape here and is the absolute decisive cause of the man's decision!
But seriously.. If that single small factor is the whole foundation of your flawed view and the cause of this pointless discussion then I can only say one word: excuse.
Why else would you change the whole topic of my original argument of discouraging putting any degree of blame on a rape victim to stop the fear of reporting.
yes i reckon 70% of he time, the women that are raped are dressed unapropriatly. men are more likely to go for a woman who has a mini skirt on then for someone who has jeans on. is the woman to blame for wearing a skirt? yes she is partially to blame.will she dress like that again after being raped? i doubt it. i agree with AC that young girls should have the mental capacity to know whatrs right and wrong, but but i doubt they have rape running through there mind just before they go out. they are young and want to have a good time and they are just following the pack. i think the way society promotes sex is disgusting and everyone is mindcontrolled following the 'norms'. yes they should tone down what they wear to help prevent things like rape happening. but there are risks everywhere.
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Overlord, you've completely missed my point so many times. I'll no longer indulge you and do you the service of continually explaining it.
You are quite clearly an idiot with zero memory or attention span. I suggest you take leave and leave the discussing to people who know what they're talking about.
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You just hit the spot with that comment, I agree completely. Although it pains me to admit it, being rather an attention seeking, provocative young madam myself, I have to say that purposely placing yourself in a compromising position immediately renders you partly responsible for any ensuing occurrences.
As for the rest of you, you're chasing one another in circles
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I read the whole thread, AC, I didn't mean for my comment to sound as though I was praising only DC. I saw that you and a few others made the same statement. I simply thought that DC's way of wording it was quite effective, it caught my eye and I decided to quote. Are you going to argue with that?
Apologies if I made you feel as though you were being overlooked, I can assure you this is not the case. I read each and every post you make with unabashed enthusiasm and await your next showing of opinion with baited breath
Care to elaborate instead of attacking me personally?
Just let me contribute to a thread like a normal human being, if you don't agree with my message, then respond so respectfully and try to have some constructive criticism. I would appreciate that more and it will help you in convincing people that they're wrong.
Oh yeah, and what was exactly your reason for beginning this? You basically assumed that I thought that women are never to blame wich is flawed thinking on your part.
C'mon.. Nobody even considered putting any thought in my original message wich was "we should discourage putting any degree of blame on girls who were raped because most are too scared or confused to report it anyway"
Do new guys always get questioned so aggressively?
Elaborate? If you still don't get what anyone's point is, a few pages in and in spite of the long posts I've made as well as others, then no amount of elaborating will get you to see the point.
You have said MANY times that it's in NO way a woman's fault that a rape occurs and that her actions don't matter, specifically if she's a teen because "teen's brains aren't fully developed". This is BS isn't it? Yes.
I'm not stopping you contributing. If you can't handle the fact that your blinkered and dangerous view is a stupid one, then that's your problem. I'm not saying you can't have that view, I'm just telling you what it is. I don't care if you admit you are wrong or not, you are and anyone operating at any level post-amoebic can see that.
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Overlord, I agree with that, pressurising someone who is already traumatised can't be a good idea. But where do you draw the line? If those women who are lying to save face know they're not going to be pressurised, surely it makes it even easier for them to lie and get away with it?
This is a man who believes that it's ok for a girl to go out dressed out very provocatively and get intoxicated around men whilst still being free of any blame for ill consequence.
Calm down AC, try not to be so prejudiced towards me.
Anyway, I said discouraging it, so girls will report more often. That's never a bad thing. I don't think there would ever be many women who abuse this by saving face as it is a too big of taboo anyway and it usually gets found out if they're lying anyway due to their overall persona.
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Please, I'm trying to be friendly... no offence meant.
