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Originally posted by thesilverspider
So post crisis supes can go back in time.........

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Originally posted by NPC
I didnt realize timeline were to be address? wtf is post crisis an why should i give a f? An who said anything about it being post crisis?

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Goku has so much ki power that he posses the ability to destroy a planet roughly 333 times during the Frieza saga BEFORE he became a Super Saiyan according to the powerlevels given by Akira Toriyama. How do I know this? Math. Simple Math. In the Saiyan saga Vegeta destroys the planet Arlia with absolutely no difficulty. (He used 2 fingers and didn’t even flinch) Then later while fighting Goku (after getting pummeled by Goku’s Kaio Ken) He threatens to destroy the Earth. He says something along the lines of “Dodge this next attack if you can Kakarot, but even if you do this entire planet is going up in smoke!” This is when Goku and Vegeta have the big ki blast battle where Goku uses Kaio-Ken x4. Now Vegeta’s Powerlevel at this time is about 18,000. So at the very least we know that with a powerlevel of 18,000 you are strong enough to destroy a planet. Now, Goku’s powerlevel using Kaio-Ken x20 while fighting Frieza on Namek is about 6,000,000.

6,000,000 divided by 18,000 is 333.333.

As note Super Saiyan Goku on Namek, with no training as a Super Saiyan (A new Super Saiyan) has a powerlevel of about 15,000,000. That equates to being able to destroy a planet roughly 833 times over. Now imagine Goku’s power during the Buu saga. Its easily 3-5 times more then what it was on Namek. And that’s likely underestimating it. (Unfortunately we have no way to really know as Toriyama stopped doing powerlevels after Namek)

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Can Superman Survive something that would destroy a planet 800 times?

I've searched the Web and the powerlevels up to the Frieza saga were indeed done by Toriyama himself. (the creator of DBZ)

NO powerlevels that you will find after the Frieza saga however are true. merley guesstimates, and so they are pretty well useless.

But the powerlevels from Dragonball to Dragonball Z- Namek saga are completly true.

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These power levels are 100% accurate. They came from either the Daizenshyus(Dragon Ball encycopedia) or the Manga. This means that everything on this page is fact, not opinions or guesses because they came from Toriyama himself.

Starting from Raditz:

Raditzu Saga

Raditzu vs. Farmer

Raditzu: 1,500
Farmer with Shotgun: 5


Raditsu vs. Gokou and Piccolo
Raditzu: 1,200
Gokou (with weighted clothing) : 334 Goku
(without weighted clothing) : 416
Gokou (with Kamehameha) : 924
Piccolo (with weighted clothing) : 322
Piccolo (without weighted clothing) : 408
Piccolo's Makankosappo (1st) : 1,330
Piccolo's Makankosappo (2nd) : 1,440
Gohan: 1 to 1,307 (after he got mad)

Right after the Battle

Kame-sennin: 139
Kame-sennin's Turtle: 0.001
Kuririn: 206
Tenshinhan: 250
Yamucha: 177
Piccolo: 329

Vegeta Saga

Fight with the Z warriors vs. Saibamen & Nappa

Kuririnr: 1,770
Yamcha: 1,480
Piccolo: 3,500
Chaozu: 610
Tienshinhan: 1,830
Gohan: 2,800
Saibamen: 1,200
Nappa: 4,000
Gokou: 5,000
Gokou power up: 8,000

Gokou vs. Vegeta

Gokou's power: 8,000
with Kaioken x1: 10,000
with Kaioken x2: 16,000
with Kaioken x3: 24,000
with Kaioken x4: 32,000
Vegeta's power: 18,000

Freeza Saga

During Arrival at Namek
*Note this is not all at the same time. For example Vegeta is at 24,000 power level when he arrives, but by the time Gokou gets there Vegeta is much more powerful.

Gohan's power: 4,000
Kuririn's power: 3,000
Vegeta's power: 24,000
Nail's power: 42,000
Freezer's 1st form power: 530,000
Gokou's power (without completey powering up): 90,000

Goku vs. Freeza
Freeza (form 4 33.3%): 4,000,000
Freeza (form 4 50%): 6,000,000
Freeza (form 4 70%): 8,400,000
Freeza (form 4 100%): 12,000,000
Goku's Base Level: 300,000
Goku Kaioken x10: 3,000,000
Goku Kaioken x20: 6,000,000
Super Saiya-jin Goku: 15,000,000

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Meaning that indeed by the end of the Frieza saga Goku has enough power to destroy a planet 833 times.

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Because...



Thats mathematical proof. The powerlevels are 100% accurate. Since they came from the Creator of DBZ.

So now the burden is on you to prove if Superman could survive an energy attack capable of destroying a planet 833 times over.

(and remember, that this is ONLY Super Saiyan Goku, not SSJ3)

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Originally posted by dvampire
Superman is beyound taking planet destroying and ssj3 Goku isn't throwing planet destroying blasts.

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Yes, I could believe that he would survive a planets destruction. But almost 850 planet destructions? Not likley.

(And again, he could destroy the Earth 833 times as a SUPER SAYIAN. Imagine what he could do as a Super Saiyan 3)

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
btw. Your sentence didnt make grammatical sense...lol

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Originally posted by dvampire
Atleast I don't have to make up lies to win a debate.

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Your not listing to me.

Yes, Goku never actually HAS done it. But he COULD do it if he felt like it.

Or have you not even read my other posts...?

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
WTF?? And here you are accusing me of being a Goku fanboy, your only rebuttal to my vaild argument with power levels and the math calculations to prove my point is that?. and all you can say is that I'm a lier? weak man.

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Ok, seriously. LISTEN TO ME...lol

Go back, Read my other posts.

Goku never HAS done it but he COULD do it.

I could go outside right now and run around hitting people with my car. But I'm not going to do it. Just because someone hasent actually done something dosent mean he dosent have the potential to do it.

Superman has never beaten the Earths military forces and ruled the Earth. But he COULD do it.

You gotta do better then "I've never seen him do it" When I've givin you proof that he could do it.

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Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
But you have no numbers. Too bad for you. I do. So your basing it solely on speculation. Doesn't hold water.

i dont have the numbers for Super Saiyan 3 Goku because they dont exist. But there much higher then the numbers I've givin. But I dont speculate about things. So I've based it on facts. Not hearsay and speculation.