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AC, you're like the kmc guru, you're always right or at least it always seems like you're right.
Just wondering, what are u studing in college? or, are u in college?
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I stick with Syren on this matter. Some people are capable of such horrible acts that they prove themselves a danger to society that needs to be dealt with. And this is not your average burglar we are discussing right now, it is people so distorted that they actually rape 12 month old babies.
And for AC's comment 'rape is rape', think again. Committing the act of rape is a very serious crime, but choosing a baby as your victim reveals an even far more inhuman and sick mind. That's not even about unfulfilled sexual lust anymore, it it the desire to abuse the most vulnerable aged for their twisted pleasure.
People like that will never be cured, not even medically degrading their hormone-production by clipping balls will clear out all those loose screws and wires in the brains of such maniacs. They have a fascination with submitting the most defenseless, and when rape will loose it's 'fun' they'll probably move to other means, like killing.
They have no place in this world, we have enough untouchable bastards around already, I say take out every one of them we can catch.
And for that I'd be most happy to trade my famous grinder for some painless lethal injections.
Exactly. You're not to decide how and your decision on how is so drastic and illogical that I am thankful you are not the one deciding.
A) Don't talk of twisted pleasure Mr. Meat Grinder (and yes, I will keep using that, because it proves how hypocritical you are).
B) Rape is rape, fact. Age doesn't matter because, as stated before, if anything it's worse as they are older because they can remember it. Rape IS rape, it's horrific equally across all ages.
Then as I've said, I am very thankful that you have no power in what is done in this world. Because I would be quite frightened for society if you were at the helm.
You are nothing more than a barbaric, unrealistic, hypocritical pseudo-vigilante who, rather than grasp the world as it really is, makes it seem worse in a fruitless effort to make his own twisted self-indulgent pleasures seem normal, justifiable and right. It's people like YOU we could do without.
You are most wrong, the vileness of a crime should not be judged by only viewing it's (future) effect on the victim. The motivations, choices and obsessions of the criminal are most important aswell.
You are making raping a baby seem like a small offence, cause hey, it's not gonna remember anyway! Simultaneously you are ignorant to how messed up one must be to resort in raping a baby, and to how a person like that will never function and will always be a tread when alive.
How do I fail to grasp this world as it really is when all I want is it to be free of crimes like we are discussing? At least I recognise the fact that some people should never have existed. That might be a primal point of view, but it is not barbaric or hypocritical, as I uphold it with the best interest for humankind.
What frightens me more is your sympathy and forgiveness towards the inhuman and your lack of posting a solution of your own on this matter.
It's quite easy to piss on other people's idea's while hiding the fact that you do not have a clue what so ever to deal with the issue yourself.
Vile is subjective, that's what you fail to see. To some people urination is worthy of being in pornos. I consider that vile, but that's me. I consider rape to be shocking and wrong at ANY age. I'm also thankful for small mercies, the baby won't remember it and therefore won't have it's life ruined by it. It doesn't know it was raped.
Never did I say it was a small offense, ever, and it's wrong of you to claim that I did.
Bad has to exist for good to be noticed. Good and bad, black and white, pain and pleasure, ying and yang, heard of these things?
There simply has to be bad in this world. I'm not saying I like it, but it's a neccessity I'm afraid. Rape is wrong, full stop.
I agree, some people in my opinion, shouldn't exist. I am not about to make any moves to make sure this happens though.
Sympathy for the inhuman? I've shown no such thing, but you obviously don't read my posts.
You're the one who misinterpreted my post beyond all possible belief for your own means.
Well, another thread has turned into an argument between two specific people.
Look, this couple are guilty of a terrible crime. We all agree on that simple fact. What we can't all agree on is how terrible it was, given the nature of the crime, and how terrible the retribution should be.
All this talk about a perfect world is moot. There will never be a perfect world. At least not until every one agrees that that is what they want. If I were in charge, this couple would spend the rest of their lives in prison. If I were in charge, and a murder had been committed, the murderer would be put to death. But, any crime that doesn't involve the direct taking of anothers life would result in life in prison. Ghandi may have been right when he said and eye for an eye makes teh whole world blind, but he was a pacifist...I'm not.
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Last edited by Devil King on Jan 22nd, 2006 at 11:33 PM
But, that's my point. It erases a problem that can't be solved. I have long said that there is no perfect world to be had, only the illusion of a perfect world. If the consequences of actions are clear and defined, then there will be less crime. However, what you'll end up with is a willingness to commit certain crimes, because you are willing to accept the consequences.
As long as the punishment fits the crime, then an offender will be less likely to consider committing the crime. That, however, doesn't take into consideration those who have mental disabliaties that lend itself to doing bad things, like rape or murder.
I respect the idea that getting slapped and turning teh other cheeck will lead to the slapper getting tired and giving up, while leaving the slapee innocent of the same crimes as the one who slapped. But, this world is way past the point of one-sided pacificism. Popular opinion isn't all it's cracked up to be when the outcome is decided.
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Last edited by Devil King on Jan 22nd, 2006 at 11:44 PM
Erasing the problem with absolutely zero attempt to solve it is as bad as not making any attempt.
Prison system problems CAN be solved, but it would by no means be an easy task I agree. It's not something we can look forward to happening in the next 3 years, but if we keep a vision of what can be achieved, then we can have, by no means a perfect world, but a much more tolerable, less hypocritical one. It takes losing that eye for an eye mentality because as long as there is that, there will be the death penalty, and as long as THAT exists, things will go nowhere. It's keeping us in the dark ages.
Which is exactly why I just said that personal feelings need to be put aside in favour of justice. You consider yourself an eye for an eye person, but let me ask this:
If you knew that every prison gave LIFE to those who deserved it (and this is an achievable goal in time and with effort), would you still go around that justice and into vengeance?
But, I'm not talking about the death penalty or a life sentance, specifically. I'm referring to all justice. And the problem I'm saying can't be solved, is the urge to commit acts that go against a socially developed moral opinion. (not talking religion here) There will always be those people who want to do something and lack the mental centers that prevent you, me and others from doing those things.
I agree that personal outrage and knee-jerk reactions are a problem when dishing out punishment. That is why I said that the punishment needs to fit the crime.You know very well that I am of the opinion that crimes against children are no less outrageous than crimes against adults. (although, in this case, I'm confused as to how you would rape a 12 week old baby. I mean, how hung could this guy be? But I digress) As for answering your question, I said in my last post that if a person commits murder, and there are no circumstances to justify that murder, then they should be put to death. Otherwise, life in prison for those who deserve it, is completely reasonable. The outragersous part in your opinion, would be the crimes for which I would sentence someone to life in prison.
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