I don't know if it's used as everyday slang BA, but at the moment that's what came out. Besides these cats(also back in the day slang lol)had me vexed, but thats over now, we have to get back to the subject at hand.
Cap vs Bats no shield, no gadgets.
off subject but just curious, ever been uptown. i been all over queens, most of the girls i used to meet in the village in the early 90's where from queens, elmhurst, close to the queens plaza mall i think, corona, mad columbians there,
jamaica to rosedale where my cousin used to live,i used to take G i think, to get there(elmhurst that is), there's another train that runs on that line but i forgot what it was, havent been there in awhile.
anyway cool to know there's more big bad apple residents here.
Well, the fact that you use the term "breakdance" instead of b-boy tells me all I need to know. But then again, I don't see what it has to do with this thread, so take it to the off-topic thread. That's what it's there for.
PIS/CIS I know and besides I used it for both combantants
And it is cannon obviously you don't like using it but I went to the extreme to show these two have been portrayed in their seperate titles.
And in turn giving facts that cancel each other.
Batman being shown as being tough while Captain America is being shown as being more powerful.
It is your perogative not to use it.
Like I said if you do not like how cap and bats are being portrayed in their titles (in their cannon titles) please feel free to write your own books. I will read it if they are good.
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it has nothing to do with the thread but obviously what you don't know is
that before you appeared here, that statement was necessary,
we're back to normal now so read the whole thread before you come out your face,
no offense T. really,
scuse my ignorance about the off-topic thread option,
you have mastered the kmc forums interface, honestly, you the man.
i'm being nice cuz this isn't the place to wage war,
we had our war and now there's peace,
besides i'm not a good fighter when it comes to verbal attacks, my thing is with the hands, but that's another story.
so please don't try to rile people up in here,
stick to the subject or be reported.
it had nothing to do with the thread but obviously what you don't know is
that before you appeared here, that statement was necessary,
we're back to normal now so read the whole thread before you come out your face,
no offense T. really,
scuse my ignorance about the off-topic thread option,
you have mastered the kmc forums interface, honestly, you the man.
i'm being nice cuz this isn't the place to wage war,
we had our war and now there's peace,
besides i'm not a good fighter when it comes to verbal attacks, my thing is with the hands, but that's another story.
so please don't try to rile people up in here,
stick to the subject or be reported.
He won't be "fresh", but neither will Cap... If it really lasts an hour, both will have taken shots, one of them will likely already have the upper hand. Cap doesn't get tired, but he DOES get hurt. Batman was active throughout all 4 days- he did not rest, period. 1 hour will not do much to him at all, stamina will NOT play a role in the fight. Batman would tire before Cap, but one of them will be unconscious or dead before he even begins to slow down. And Cap's not faster until you show me some feats. Type em out and post issue numbers if you have to, but I'm not going to accept some random net bio as good evidence.
Issue numbers, other forums, etc. You can find a LOT of scans online. (heck, its usually easier to find em on the net than to actually dig through comics and scan em yourself, a good portion of the time) Bios don't cut it for me. Find me some feats, not just personal opinions. Logic only goes so far if it isn't based in good solid fact.
Zeiss was a superb bodyguard before his enhancements. (please log in to view the image)
That's pre enhancement.
"The Sicilian was right about me. I had been born for this... I was his bodyguard and soldier. And no one could touch me."
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"I saw every nuance and every move my opponents made in slow motion. I could play back their moves in my head, study them. As good as I was then, I was that much better now. My reflexes and nerves fired like pistons at top speed. As long as I had my goggles on, the world stood still for me."
He's hella fast. Batman is simply way too good for him. Human muscles can't contract fast enough to get out of the way of a bullet after it leaves the chamber. If the world were slowed to a crawl before the bullet hit you, it would be physically impossible to stop or dodge it, no matter how long you had to think about it. Batman finds holes in his defense and exploits them. Zeiss sees em coming, but can't do a thing to stop it. His reactions are godly, but his body is only hovering at peak human speed.
Ignoring the arm... How? Still not a good combat feat for Batman, though he DID win pretty handedly. I was merely pointing out that he's seen super serums before.
What do you want me to do then? Submit to you and your magic "logic"? I make claims and back em up, you make claims. I'll stick to my way. There's other places to go for scans when you don't have a scanner, as I explained before.
I won't get into it now, but Supes vs. WW is probably one of my favorite debates... But I'll say this. You know how fighting skills help street levelers overcome big physical disadvantages? Well, Wonderwoman's physical disadvantages are relatively small. And her fighting skills are nearly unmatched in all of DC. Drop it now, please, but it's a hell of a good argument. An underdog who I actually think can win! (and no... Batman is never an underdog. He's Batman)
Would I be the wind beneath unknowable's wings without them? (haha, sorry uk, no offense meant, I just found that particular one pretty funny) (please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)
Sick reputation...
Other than that, his claim to fame is really defeating Shiva... Then getting distracted before killing her, restarting the fight, and dying. It was shown he was pretty much her equal, and he was also her main teacher. So yeah, he's damn good.
Meh, I suppose not. It's different, yet still close. Still not his best day, by a longshot.
Yes, but does Batman have to wait for him to recover? Poke, biff, whammo, Batman wins. (not really... I seriously doubt that particular one would work, it's more of a knowledge of pressure points than a specific move he would use)
I did last time... You basically said that pressure points would not work on Cap, becasue his skills are basically equal to Batman's, plus the fact that he is stronger, and that he would be on the offensive more often. (you also said faster, but we all know how that goes by now) Honestly, if I'm way off the mark, feel free to clarify yourself at any time. And instead of just saying I misunderstood, you could tell us what you said again to conserve time...
You know you envy my dry wit and effective use of sarcasm. I know a guy who's about 5'11'' and usually beats another guy, who's at least 6'4''. Both start on their respective school teams, both are skilled, the smaller one wins more often than not. Batman knows everything that Cap knows. It's not a question of a number. Batman's skill is better than Cap's, in all aspects. Cap knows useful arts, Batman knows all of the ones Cap does, plus more. UFC actually proves that multiple styles are necessary... And that being able to counter the other's style is usually a very good way to win.
[QUOTE=5888948]Originally posted by Dizzle
[B]Would I be the wind beneath unknowable's wings without them?
non taken, in retrospect, I also think it was funny,
and I was enjoying the debate between you and kam, but i was giving you props(not sweating you) cuz i thought you where winning from what i was reading and seeing, but you took me by surprise when you got so gased up you dissed a person who was cheering for you, not nice Dizz, but your forgivin, lol...
by the way you said Cap never gets tired, i don't think that's so, it takes him a long while but eventually even he will get tired, although obviously far later than Batman. I know you hate bios but his does suggest that his remarkable stamina is not eternal, just remarkable.
Grey fox is gonna be pissed... Bucky DID still take out both Hitler and Red Skull with one punch though. I'd say that's well beyond Cap. Hell, I'd say that's beyond Spiderman.
Yeah though... While it was probly hella cool, Winter Soldier is still Cap's sidekick. Batman has mercilessly beaten down both Robin and young versions of Batgirl many a grande olde time. And Deutschmen still FEAR THE BUCKY! above all else.
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You don't give the Batsuit enough credit. Aquaman has superstrength, Batman has taken superpowered shots time and again. Admittedly, Aquaman used to be quite disrespected, but his physical attributes were undeniably beyond both Batman and Cap by leaps and bounds. Batman survives those hits because his suit absorbs a good bit of impact.
Again, Cap has a good chance to win. So does Batman. Pretty much anything Cap can do, Batman can do, and vice versa. Cap wins round 1 by getting in a good hit and pressing his advantage. In round 2, batman dodges a similar hit, hits an open nerve cluster in Cap's chest, and puts him down in a similar fashion. Both are feasible, neither is really more likely to happen, given their respective skills. This fight is a pure tossup. 5/10 each.
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Still the force of the punch needs to go somewhere even if batman flew backwards and didn't get hurt Cap eats nerve strikes for breakfast they tickle him
How he would actually pull off physically eating nerve strikes, I have no idea. But as his enhancements didn't have anything to do with protecting his more vulnerable areas, getting hit there should hurt him almost as much as anyone else. (Batman actually fought a guy who had plates inserted under his skin to protect from them... go figure)
Granted, Cap probably knows enough about pressure points to avoid most of them, and he probably won't end up just getting hit with a One-Hit-Kill shot. (it's useful if you stun him for a second or two though...) Still, there's spots pretty much everywhere that hurt more than others, and Cap can't avoid getting hit in every one of them.
Oh, and just for shits and giggles, I found clips of the Russian martial art my friend showed me... SYSTEMA!!! Drunken Monkey meets Aikido... (it actually seems alright, though not anything truly godly... and a whole bunch of it is BS, but there's the whole novelty in the fact that the founder's a big fat Russian dude) http://www.russianmartialart.com/main.php?page=clips
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Pt1. Honestly dude, I really don't know what point there is in taking a Supersoldier serum to enhance your speed if a human that works out can be faster than you. It kinda defeats the whole purpose. I'll look for some Cap speed feats, but we both know none of them are gonna have captions that say "Faster than Batman". Same way none of the feats you posted say "faster than Cap". Bats will logically have plenty more feats than Cap 'cause he's been in waaaaay more books because he came out earlier and is more popular. That's why feat wars often seem pointless. What Bat did to x doesn't matter much to me since whenever he's around Cap, he seems to be slightly outclassed. In one crossover, Bats concedes that Cap is faster(crossovers are usually crap, but that one made a good deal of sense). In another, after only a few punches are thrown Bats states that Cap could conceivably beat him after a long period of time(stamina anyone?). Notice how neither ever seems to land blows on the other? They're going to be doing alot of blocking & evading. A Bats Vs. Cap match IS likely to last a long time before punches start landing(Unless Cap just starts beating his a$$ from the get-go). When those punches do start landing, they WILL be Cap's. Bats will be too tired to keep up and after a short time, he'll be KOed. Stamina is a factor whether you like it or not.
Unless you're trying to say Batman's as fast a bullet, that still doesn't make sense. Either Zeiss is slower than mollasses or the writer was on Meth. He doesn't just see them coming, he sees it coming in slowmotion. Bats should've never touched him man. Comon sense. That explanation did nothing to change the fact that that doesn't make any sense, that's PIS if I've ever seen it.
while fighting a guy with a broken arm I can't ignore the fact that the arm was broken. I'd consider that a pretty big disadvantage in a scrap. Do you have the rest of that fight? Did they scrap twice?
Yes. In guys that weren't Cap and had broken arms. He's totally ready for Cap now
& That's making claims and posting things that don't really back them up to be honest. You claim to show Bats disappearing from Supes and point out Supes near lightspeed. But we all know how often Supes neglects his speed(Especially when dealing with Batman) and Batman says himself how easy stuff like that is when you know your surroundings like he does. No disappearin', just hiding from and fooling a powerful fool. Or you'll show Bats scaring some werewolf b**ch with a personality disorder as evidence of him growing in someone's mind.
Therein lies the problem, it's too hard for many people to even fathom Batman losing
I did too, UK took it way too hard Dammit! What part of "World's Laziest Ninja" makes you think I wanna go through all that?!?!?! OK. I'll do it anyway but now you owe me one You said my response was See? I was answering your question about benching 1000 lbs. Saying that Cap's strenght alone would do nothing. Then you said
Thepart tipped me off to the fact that you had read me wrong. I was saying that strength by itself would do nothing against pressure point strikes. You thought I was saying pressure points would do nothing. See?
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I know a guy who's about 5'11'' and usually beats another guy, who's at least 6'4''. Both start on their respective school teams, both are skilled, the smaller one wins more often than not. Batman knows everything that Cap knows. It's not a question of a number. Batman's skill is better than Cap's, in all aspects. Cap knows useful arts, Batman knows all of the ones Cap does, plus more. UFC actually proves that multiple styles are necessary... And that being able to counter the other's style is usually a very good way to win.
Cap was my hero
I can't ignore the fact that the arm was broken. I'd consider that a pretty big disadvantage in a scrap. Do you have the rest of that fight? Did they scrap twice?
