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Ushgarak
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Please cut out the petty arguing.

And maham, that remark was in extremely poor taste. Advocating 9/11 as a good thing is beyond the grounds of reasonable comment and is simple trolling. Don't do it again.


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Wow, I never expected maham to come out with a statement like that.

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Originally posted by finti
an Egyptian paper published them in october last year and nothing happened then, the problem started after the danish muslim council did their "missionary" tour in the middle east, showing pictures of mohammed that wasnt printed hoping for an reaction..........and reaction they got, so the danish muslim council manipulated the entire thing cause they were disappointed that the reaction they hoped for didnt occur back in september october last year when the cartoons was first published.
I know, I think the muslims are making a big deal over nothing. If that's their religion they should obey it but not expect non muslims to obey their rules. They want us to apologize for not obeying their rules and I think that is more wrong than publishing the cartoons. Some body made a whole comic book about him and I bet these protests had something to do with it.


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i blieve in free speech too n thats exactly y i asid it.if u acn say watevr u want to v can do the same.u feel sorry fr those innocent ppl in teh plane who died in 9/11 but u don't feel sorry fr the Iraqi teens who were murdered by Brit soldiers or the 18 innocent women n children whom ur army killed in Bajore Agency (Pakistan).if that is not prejudice then wat is it?

u ppl kill 10 times more ppl than AlQaeda or Taliban,but no1 notices that.
everday in Iraq some 50 ppl die n u don't showin thta hav full security fr urselves but not fr them.if u went there to brin democracy then u shud atleast make sure that any Iraqi lives till that so called democracy prevails

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So it's okay for you to slander those who died unwittingly due to religious and political extremists from the Middle East, but heaven forbid we draw something bad pertaining to Mohammed?

Someone stop me if a hypocritic view pops up, please.

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Originally posted by Ushgarak
Please cut out the petty arguing.

And maham, that remark was in extremely poor taste. Advocating 9/11 as a good thing is beyond the grounds of reasonable comment and is simple trolling. Don't do it again.
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Originally posted by Wesker
Wow, I never expected maham to come out with a statement like that.


look ppl ,i don't say watever happened in 9/11 was any better than the jewish forces killin 50 Palestinian children in a densely populated area or the Brit soldiers beatin Iraqi teens to death n moreover enjoyin it.

my aim was simply to make u ppl feel just as hurt at this as v do.ofcourse u wudn't n don't expect that frm u either but u poked us rite where it REALLY hurts n i did the same

no offence tho smile

n it is also a part of free speech if u just look at it

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Originally posted by Wesker
So it's okay for you to slander those who died unwittingly due to religious and political extremists from the Middle East, but heaven forbid we draw something bad pertaining to Mohammed?

Someone stop me if a hypocritic view pops up, please.


it is rite now, isn't it?

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Show me EVIDENCE of British soldiers beating Iraqi teens to death AND enjoying it, please. Don't make wild assertions without proof. And the conflict over the holy land has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech. There's nothing wrong with stating facts (And better- proving them), but there IS something wrong with you claiming we can't have cartoons of Mohammed, but you can virtually slap us in the face with your thoughtless and assinine comment.

Again, when the hypocrisy starts to get too thick, someone toss me a knife.

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don't tell me u didn't watch it eek!

it was on all tv channels there r

i can't do anythin if u hav a lack of info

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Originally posted by maham
n wat u need is more 9/11 (mayb thst'll shut u up)
Is that supposed to teach us to respect islam? Why do you expect non muslims to follow muslim rules? If you want people most people to respect a religion you have to let them criticize it.


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Originally posted by Wesker
Show me EVIDENCE of British soldiers beating Iraqi teens to death AND enjoying it, please. Don't make wild assertions without proof. And the conflict over the holy land has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech. There's nothing wrong with stating facts (And better- proving them), but there IS something wrong with you claiming we can't have cartoons of Mohammed, but you can virtually slap us in the face with your thoughtless and assinine comment.

Again, when the hypocrisy starts to get too thick, someone toss me a knife.


it is wrong fr u cuz it doesn't matter to u but it wud if some1 did that to u (like 9/11)

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Originally posted by markie
Is that supposed to teach us to respect islam? Why do you expect non muslims to follow muslim rules? If you want people most people to respect a religion you have to let them criticize it.


errrrrrrrr... let me think...yes, i think it does. n it wudn't kill u did u kno

thats just stupid to say let me do watever i want but don't hav the rite to do the same

1 thin said abt 9/11 n u ppl r goin WILD!u is it thta i shud hesitate to discuss it when u ppl r chitterin all around? clearly Islamophobia

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Originally posted by maham
don't tell me u didn't watch it eek!

it was on all tv channels there r

i can't do anythin if u hav a lack of info


Oh okay.

George Bush was just in my office now. Oops. He's gone. Didn't you see it? Oh well. I can't prove up.

^ Sounds like BS, doesn't it? You have the internet. If you can't find info, you're not trying. Prove up, please.

And your comment was assinine. Cartoons are harmless. Planes hitting buildings and killing thousands of civilians is not harmless, and it's also very sensitive. If you have gripes about deaths due to Western intervention and war, show us and we'll entertain them. But back to the topic, you're applying a double standard here.

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*it wudn't kill u IF u did * frm above

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Originally posted by maham
i blieve in free speech too n thats exactly y i asid it.if u acn say watevr u want to v can do the same.u feel sorry fr those innocent ppl in teh plane who died in 9/11 but u don't feel sorry fr the Iraqi teens who were murdered by Brit soldiers or the 18 innocent women n children whom ur army killed in Bajore Agency (Pakistan).if that is not prejudice then wat is it?

u ppl kill 10 times more ppl than AlQaeda or Taliban,but no1 notices that.
everday in Iraq some 50 ppl die n u don't showin thta hav full security fr urselves but not fr them.if u went there to brin democracy then u shud atleast make sure that any Iraqi lives till that so called democracy prevails
I don't think democracy is always a good thing and I'm wondering if iraq deserves it. I'm about of the oppinion they need a nother dictator.


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Originally posted by maham
good guessin!
I was sure they were muslim hackers but I didn't want muslims to accuse me of being islamophobic because there is no way to proove it.


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Originally posted by maham
am i bcomin a fortune teller or r u ppl so predictable?
u punch some1 hard in the face,almost askin him to punch u, n when he fights back in self-defence ur like ...see i told u he was violent.

wat makes u think that u hav the rite to insult our Prophet n religion n get away with it n others not even criticizin it.

u don't feel ashamed of bein racist n prejudiced abt Islam,then y shudn't v punch at the place where it hurts u.

the anti ISlamic behaviour that u hav gives U a bad name too doesn't it
i kno ur racist n stubborn
It was a crime in your religion but it's not a crime in ours. Doesn't the koran alow for freedom of religion or has that part been abrogated? It says Say oh mohammed you have your religion and I'll have mine or something like that so unless that has been abrogated they were disobeying the koran.


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Originally posted by maham
look ppl ,i don't say watever happened in 9/11 was any better than the jewish forces killin 50 Palestinian children in a densely populated area or the Brit soldiers beatin Iraqi teens to death n moreover enjoyin it.

my aim was simply to make u ppl feel just as hurt at this as v do.ofcourse u wudn't n don't expect that frm u either but u poked us rite where it REALLY hurts n i did the same

no offence tho smile

n it is also a part of free speech if u just look at it
Totally free speech does not and can not exist it always has limits. What they did might have been a crime worthy of death in your country but it wasn't a crime in denmark or any european country. It offended a lot of muslims and they had a right to protest and even boycot the countries but not to do violence.


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Originally posted by Wesker
Cartoons are harmless. Planes hitting buildings and killing thousands of civilians is not harmless, and it's also very sensitive.
Exactly, though this kind of reasoning coming from a group of people who feel there's nothing wrong in whipping a woman 100 times for committing adultery. Or a man, though you didn't say for a man. And I would be curious to find out if men also get their 100 lashings also.

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Originally posted by maham
don't tell me u didn't watch it eek!

it was on all tv channels there r

i can't do anythin if u hav a lack of info
Those "inocent" teens weren't so inocent. You didn't mention that they were throwing rocks at them. The british soldiers probably over reacted but they had to stop the kids from throwing the rocks.. I don't think they killed them but I doubt that they should have beat them as much as they did.


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