I later did...Vader sensed Obi-Wan...altho he was not sure because he wasn't using the Force...but you later started guessing he maybe was...but no they just knocked those stormtroopers down...I think the sound made that clear enough...and in the time they were knocked down...Ben was not able to use a mind trick...and I think he wasn't stupid enough anyway because he knew probably that Vader detected him if he did! Later he did it probably because he first had to and he wanted that Vader detected him to confront him again.
so you admit that Jedi are able to sense someone strenght...cause you've always been denying that in the beginning...Qui-Gon couldn't detect someone's strenght...And that is how you sense someone...by his strenght...you said it...they didn't sense Yoda Leia or Obi-Wan, but they did detect Luke because he was using his strenght in the Force to lift up the X-Wing.
1 and 2 are irrelivant...already know that! 3 I already explained how they sensed Luke
4...you really think distance is no factor? Then why didn't Vader sense Obi-Wan...because of the distance! Obi-Wan, Yoda, Leia and Luke were too far away to sense them...it made it easier for Vader to sense Luke because like you and I agree at least on something that it's easier to sense someone when he/ she is actually using the Force. Besides it is a little hinted that distance IS a factor...in episode II Obi-Wan tried to locate Anakin...he thought he was on Naboo. But he wasn't there...so if distance wasn't a factor why didn't he use the Force to locate Anakin if distance is no factor.
it works as same as seeing the future...Jedi can see things before they happen...but the further the future is the more difficult it is to predict what is going to happen...It's just asks too much concentration. Cause that is what using the Force is all about...concentration!
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im through arguing with you.
you debate imaginary points and put words in my mouth while selectively ignoring other points. its exhausting and pointless.
believe whatever horseshit you will. if it helps you enjoy the films
more than more power to you.
I dont put anything in your mouth...I never said something you didn't say...I posted your quotes...I just left out some quotes because they were pointless! anyway I wasnt argueing with you...I was debating...If you put so much emotion in it yes then it becomes an arguement...
enjoy the movies too! You keep on to your truth...I'll keep on mine
bye!
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it really has no answer. the highest likelyhood is "no",
but since there is nothing directly contradicting it, as well as nothing directly
supporting it, then no, i dont KNOW the answer. i think anyone who claims to
know for a fact is full of themselves.
it is a good question, just never thought there would be six pages of debate on it, somewhere along the way i figured you would get tired of all the crappy replies, and snap at everyone, and tell them to stop posting.
But it really is a good question, and some people dont know how to answer it correctly.
Is sex forbidden by the Jedi code.
I think it might be at the current 3 movies, as for befor i dont think it was. The Jedi code forbids attachment, but some or in someway all masters have a kinship with there padawans, and is that attachment, yes.
I'm mean, look at Yoda when he felt the huge rift in the Force, on some level he knew what was happening, and when he found out that nearly all the Jedi were killed, i'm more than sure he felt sad, and that is attachment, and the sex issue, sex leads to attachment because if you have sex, it can lead to haveing kids, which would lead to attachment, i know the jedi can surpress their feelings about anything, but Jedi care for the people, and therefor would care for there kid.
I dont think it was a smart move by forbidding attachment, even though it can be used against you, and lead to the Darkside, but the Jedi need to be strong, it was some Jedi's failure, that brought them down, if they could have sex and children, the Jedi would have survived order66, and not so easily succumbed to the Darkside.
just eggs them on to keep posting nonesense. part of what killed this forum before its time and why most level headed people who are into SW avoid this forum. so i bit my tongue
see, this is where i butt heads with many if not most people who debate this.
i very much disagree that kinship and family are "attachment" in the negative sense which yoda describes.
obiwan cries as he tells anakin that he loved him and he was his brother. was this attachment? i think so. was it "attachment" as yoda saw as a path to the dark side? i dont think so. why? because he turned around and walked away, because he knew there was nothing he could do. but there was a certain degree of attachment, wasnt there? he warned a sith lord to not attack and get hacked to bits, didnt he? if obiwan was completely detached he would have kept his mouth shut and allowed anakin to make his move. "NO!!!!!" obiwan screams as quigon is run through by maul, and cries like a baby when quigon dies. thats attachment isnt it?
what im saying is that i believe that what yoda meant by "attachment" was the inability to let go. the desire to control the fate of others by any means. to allow negativity and despair to take hold in the face of death.
Powerful you have become PVS, Strong in the Force you are.
and totally right, Anakin was obsessed to a certain degree with Padme, that was what caused him to become attached, and made him go down the path of the Darkside.
saying Obi-Wan was attached to Anakin because he said he loved him is a bit exagerated...it's more like a bond than an attachment...that's what every Jedi has...Anakin called the Jedi his family. (altho that line is cut out) But you don't have to take it too litterally.
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Yeah exactly, Obi-Wan wasnt confessing "The truth" or anything........ Then again some people even read into Palpatine saying "I need your help Son" to Anakin.......
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Well in the novel they all have an attachment.
Mace's is said to be the republic, which he loved so much that he couldn't see it was gone.
Obi-Wan's is said to be Anakin, in that he cared for him so much, that he let him get away with things (disrespect, disobedience, anger..... look at ep2 he yells at Zam Wessel in anger, and obi just glances at him) and didn't hold him so close to Jedi standards because he really believed him to be the Chosen One, and wanted him to make it.
So obi-wan's mistake was loving Anakin as a brother.
you're getting the dictionary out to prove your point? my talk about being desperate! J/K!
well if that is the case then almost every Jedi has at least one attachment and that is the one of Master and apprentice...they have a special bond. So to forbid total attachment would be impossible then...
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the point is that GL lacked a better word.
most know just what yoda meant though.
the inability to let go = attachment in the SW sense.
this does not forbid attachment in the sense of the true definition.
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