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Looking at you.
If you live forever, the chances of winning the lottery ten times becomes so high that not winning ten times is impossible. Get the point? No? I didn't think so.
I just want you to think (think). Think and when you are done thinking, think some more. Things of this sophistication and complexity, design, order, mathematically, scientifically, and coincidentally don't just happen.
Consciousness
Morality
Complex life
Complex language and communication
Order
Design
Laws
Intelligence
Rationality
Logic
Information
Organization
Mathematics
Science
The Brain
Instinct
Thought
Reason
Will
Intent
Not one of these is capable of arising by undirected, unplanned, undesigned, unintelligent, chance--from a violent explosion that happened for no reason or purpose.
Think.
What do explosions normally produce?
No matter how many explosions are conducted the result will be the same.
Think.
Has there ever been an exception?
Think.
Why do organisms fight to survive? Why is there this need or tendency?
Think.
Why is life a reality instead of unreality? In other words, there is no reason to exist. So then why do we exist?
Think.
All this energy expended for life to exist and for what reason? Why? Why do we exist? What is in it for the universe? What does the universe get out of it?
Think.
All of this controversy, energy, discussion, time, effort, money, research, study, and education, trying to figure out how and why we exist--and for what? Why the need to be here as opposed to oblivion?
Does the universe have a will? Did it just have to exist? Did it just want to exist? Again, why? What is the reason or purpose? Why did an explosion occur in the first place?
You are composed of living cells but living cells are not composed of you. Hence, you are dependent on living cells and thus inferior to them. Living cells are nano factories that exist whether you want them to or not. They were here before you, they are responsible for you, and they continue to sustain you. You even owe your brain size to living cells. Based on all of these facts I affirm that living cells are smarter than you.
Well, there is a limited amount of resources to go around, so if they don't fight then they will die. If you are asking why they fight to begin with, it is because if they do not then their genes won't be passed into the future. The genes that say "DON'T DIE" are the ones that survive- that are still around. The genes that sit quietly and wait for stuff to happen (for their survival) die very quickly. Organisms fight to survive because there is an evolutionary advantage.
To eliminate cognitive dissonance. (Thanks Inimalist!)
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WHAT!? I'd love to know your definition of inferior. You are capable of doing many things that an individual cell cannot. Speech, for example. Locomotion by way of legs. Thought. Your body is capable of killing things & using tools/altering the world you live in (through mechanical force). A cell can kill, but rarely intentionally (I'm anthropomorphizing but you know what I mean.) This argument you've posted is the weakest showing yet. Raise your game or get off the court.
This was not an argument, the cell thing was just a thought, and you have failed to think.
All of the things you just mentioned relative to the cell are made possible because of living cells (i.e. speech, locomotion, thought), so living cells still win.
he answered your questions you just did not like the response..
you cant even claim the same thing..
you actually rely on philosophical rhetoric for your response and failing to even state a relevence to the question.. using circular logic and restating questions over and over.
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No. You do not get to talk to me that way. You asked a series of loaded questions that was designed to give the impression that the universe must have a designer. I pointed out that some (all?) of those questions have a material explanation. I did not fail to think, I failed to reach the conclusion that you have. I did not feel the need to posit an imaginary friend to create the universe, maybe because I have some in real life. You have failed to bait me into a loaded question and now are backpedaling. It is really embarrassing to see.
Yes? I guess that since living cells are made of molecules, and molecules are not made of living cells then Molecules are > cells! I defy you to find me a cell that can experience emotion or swing an axe to chop firewood. A body > a cell when trying to find fuel for a fire. (Note: you still have not specified which area cells are greater than bodies in. So technically, you could define 'greater' however you wish- for the love of god just drop the point though. It is embarrassing to watch you struggle like this.)
“obviously because not all "religious people" are scientists or even skilled with logic, whereas the supporters of evolution are either educated in the ways of the tongue or unable to think for themselves.”
“uh-huh, and if anyone who decides to question evolution is thrown out of their jobs, then who is testing it?”
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But...the contest was between the living cell and the human body as a whole, so the molecule argument is not applicable.
One of my questions was why the need to survive? What's wrong with dying? Why the need or desire to capitalize on advantage? Where does such ambition or instinct come from in organisms (add ambition to the list)?
By material do you mean natural?
Ok you did not fail to think.
Imaginary friend? God is not imaginary. What makes you feel that God is imaginary? Is it because you cannot perceive Him personally through your five senses?
Not trying to bait you (calm down), no loaded questions (trust me there is no conspiracy), and why do you feel that I am back pedaling? I am not trying to win anything so there is no pressure of losing.
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So, cells are your god?
