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I just dont understand why they don't think that a man that has the powers of a whole deminsion cant walk through space because he hasn't shown he can do so? Thats like saying Galactus couldn't eat earth because he hasn't shown he can do so.


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And then Trion Juggernaut punches Superman to the Ultimate Universe.


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trion juggernaut against superman? Poor superman


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I just dont understand why they don't think that a man that has the powers of a whole deminsion cant walk through space because he hasn't shown he can do so? Thats like saying Galactus couldn't eat earth because he hasn't shown he can do so.
No it's not. Galactus was already defined with that ability, it's in his power description.

"Walking through space" is not one of juggs. and clasic Juggs didn't have the powers of the whole dimension, he had a very limited portion of Cyttorok's power.

Nothing you say outside of cold hard evidence will convince me that he can pull off what he has never shown to do.


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Ditto


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Ditto
So you agree that Juggernaut cannot walk through space?

Interesting. . .


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Superman is so BS it's like they totally changed the character first he looked like a normal man now he looks like a damn body builder he use to not be able to breath in space now he can. DC writes what ever thing they want about Superman to make him better and better. He is still weaker then a fully raged Hulk he has less durability and stamina then Juggernaut & he would not last 5 seconds against some one like Gladiator because he not as ruthless as Gladiator. Gladiator would take a 747 jet and toss it in to Superman with a second thought.

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Superman is a bum who would lick Gladiators boots

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Because he is a *****


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Someone a joke laughing ^


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Someone a joke laughing ^
Did you just burn yourself using Validus's post as a medium to do so?

Odd. . .


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Did you just burn yourself using Validus's post as a medium to do so?

Odd. . .

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I just dont understand why they don't think that a man that has the powers of a whole dimension cant walk through space because he hasn't shown he can do so? Thats like saying Galactus couldn't eat earth because he hasn't shown he can do so.



Because the "he has the powers of a whole dimension" argument is too vague on its face. You could conceivably use it to justify granting Juggy any power that you wanted to.

Let's use the Silver Surfer as an example. Now it has been shown in multiple scans that Surfer has the ability to transmute the atoms of one element into the atoms of another element (from iron to gold, ect). Given this, we can logically deduce from these feats that the Surfer should be capable of turning an opponent into cheese if he so wished even if there is no scan showing him doing exactly that. Galactus has been shown to eat planets for nourishment, therefore we can again assume that as the Earth is a planet then Galactus would be able to eat it.

Now in every scan of Juggy using his powers it has been shown that he propels himself by pushing off against matter (just like everyone else) and can indeed extend this ability to walking on matter in its gas state as well as solid (unlike the rest of us). However, in the hard vacuum of space there is no matter for him to push himself off in order to propel his body into motion. If we were to believe the claim that he could some how "will" himself into motion in space then that would fall well outside of his established power set and constitute and entirely new power altogether such as a form of telekinesis or flight. Since you cannot derive such abilities from his power set, therefore you cannot assume he has them. Any new power or new use of a power that is argued should at the least be logically derived from an established one, imo.


And to address another issue. In order to put Juggy into space the very least Superman has to do is simply accelerate to a sizable fraction of the speed of light and just collide with Juggy. Given the curvature of the Earth and the incredible force of such an impact, Juggy would shortly find himself well off the planet. He could actually throw or carry Juggy into space but this is a slightly lazier option.


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If in this fight only Knockout counts as win then Juggernaut wins, Superman can be knocked unconsious, Juggs can't.


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If in this fight only Knockout counts as win then Juggernaut wins, Superman can be knocked unconsious, Juggs can't.
Unless the nimrod method works. . .


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Unless the nimrod method works. . .

what nimrod method???????????


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what nimrod method???????????
Same method Nimrod used to drop the big guy

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Originally found in Uncanny X-Men #194
Nimrod focuses his attention again on the Juggernaut and one of his blows manages to make Cain Marko lose his helmet. He is then pretty vulnerable to an tight beam of ultra high frequency sonics and is taken out of the fight.


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that fight was biggest PIS i have ever seen if colossus could KO'd nimrod with a judo throw than juggernaut should have killed him less than 5 minutes and juggernaut was not beaten nimrod used a special sonic wave on his ears and he still did not got KO'D


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that fight was biggest PIS i have ever seen if colossus could KO'd nimrod with a judo throw than juggernaut should have killed him less than 5 minutes and juggernaut was not beaten nimrod used a special sonic wave on his ears and he still did not got KO'D
That would be true had that happened.

But since Colossus never achieved such a stunt what you said is rendered irrelevant.

It took Rouge with Nightcrawlers powers to make Nimrod retreat for repairs.

And the stunt was not repeated when Nighty tried what Rouge achieved.

Actually reading the comics in question before talking about them like you've read them will do wonders for your credibility.


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That would be true had that happened.

But since Colossus never achieved such a stunt what you said is rendered irrelevant.

It took Rouge with Nightcrawlers powers to make Nimrod retreat for repairs.

And the stunt was not repeated when Nighty tried what Rouge achieved.

Actually reading the comics in question before talking about them like you've read them will do wonders for your credibility.

so your saying that colossus did not KO nimrod with a judo throw?big grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grin


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so your saying that colossus did not KO nimrod with a judo throw?big grinbig grinbig grinbig grinbig grin
It would be hard for him to have since he was rendered unconsious by one of Nimrod's energy beams. . .


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Agreed with juggy66666, Juggernaut shoulda beat the crap outta Nimrod. Since Juggernaut once beat Colossus so hard that he transformed back to human state...Aaaarrrgggg damn...


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