KMC Forums

 
  REGISTER HERE TO JOIN IN! - It's easy and it's free!
Already a member? Log-in!
 
 
Home » Star Wars » Star Wars: Literature & Expanded Universe » Star Wars Versus Forum » The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy


The Battle Bar, Our Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy
Started by: calvs

Forum Jump:
Post New Thread    Post A Reply
Pages (3287): « First ... « 935 936 [937] 938 939 » ... Last » Go to first unread post first unread  Last Thread   Next Thread
Author
Thread
RagingBoner
Restricted

Registered: Mar 2011
Location: United States

Account Restricted


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Nephthys
Gideon, did you even watch that review? Because it answers alot of the questions you're currently asking of us.

vvv Lol. Nice one Slash.


My internet's too slow to load it. messed

Old Post May 26th, 2011 11:14 PM
Click here to Send RagingBoner a Private Message Find more posts by RagingBoner Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
RagingBoner
Restricted

Registered: Mar 2011
Location: United States

Account Restricted


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Slash_KMC
But... if the Federation had won and they made the attack legal, then Palpatine wouldn't have been in his beneficial position, right?



But... if Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon both got killed then Anakin would have never been trained, right?



But... if Padmé died, he wouldn't have been able to use her possible death to turn Anakin, right?



But... if he killed Mace, then he wouldn't have been able to turn Anakin like he did, right?



But... that turned out for the best according to the alternate ending of the ROTS game, right?


quote:
Not Slash, but me
Even then, the man suffers some setbacks which he must cleverly redirect into victories.


thumb up

Last edited by RagingBoner on May 26th, 2011 at 11:24 PM

Old Post May 26th, 2011 11:15 PM
Click here to Send RagingBoner a Private Message Find more posts by RagingBoner Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Slash_KMC
Retired Helper

Registered: Oct 2008
Location: Above everyone.


 

How are those setbacks? They further his ultimate goal of turning Anakin.

What was his actual plan to turn Anakin? Him not being trained in the first place would be bad, him not having a key reason to join the Sith (saving his female) would be bad, him seeing Sidious brutally have murdered 4 Jedi would have been aweful...

Why did he want Anakin to become twice as powerful as him anyway? That would mean his own death and isn't that exactly his greatest fear?

EDIT: Actually, there's no real setback in the entire prequels.


__________________
Imagination is more important than knowledge.

Last edited by Slash_KMC on May 26th, 2011 at 11:27 PM

Old Post May 26th, 2011 11:24 PM
Click here to Send Slash_KMC a Private Message Find more posts by Slash_KMC Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Nephthys
The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Registered: Dec 2007
Location: The End


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by RagingBoner
My internet's too slow to load it. messed


WELL YOU SHOULD WATCH IT ANYWAY IT IS VERY GOOD!


__________________

Old Post May 26th, 2011 11:25 PM
Click here to Send Nephthys a Private Message Find more posts by Nephthys Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
RagingBoner
Restricted

Registered: Mar 2011
Location: United States

Account Restricted


 

quote: (post)
Slash
How are those setbacks? They further his ultimate goal of turning Anakin.


His ultimate goal was not turning Anakin, but securing power. Anakin, like Dooku and Maul and everyone else, is perfectly expendable.

quote:
Slash
What was his actual plan to turn Anakin? Him not being trained in the first place would be bad, him not having a key reason to join the Sith (saving his female) would be bad, him seeing Sidious brutally have murdered 4 Jedi would have been aweful...


Palpatine wasn't even aware of Anakin's existence until his plan veered off with the presence of Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Anakin was discovered and came to his attention only when they reached Coruscant. Even then, there's nothing to indicate that his plan was anything other than securing the Chancellorship. Palpatine's means to ensnare Anakin was through Padme.

quote:
Slash
Why did he want Anakin to become twice as powerful as him anyway? That would mean his own death and isn't that exactly his greatest fear?


No, because ROTS Sidious didn't have the means to immortality.

quote:
Slash
EDIT: Actually, the only real setback I can imagine is being tossed by Vader.


That's another.

Old Post May 26th, 2011 11:29 PM
Click here to Send RagingBoner a Private Message Find more posts by RagingBoner Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Lord Lucien
Lets all love Lain

Registered: Jul 2005
Location:


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by RagingBoner
This pretty much explains why.
I could kind of see where these guys were going, but they were ousted as Star Wars fanboys as soon as they got to the Romance section and proclaimed the Anakin-Padme relationship superior to... any other romance. Bruce Wayne wasn't hurt enough because Rachel didn't love him to the extent that Padme did Anakin---what? It's inferior because the Joker played Batman for a fool? The romance is inferior because Rachel was kidnapped off-screen? That's not even remotely objective, it's pure emotional response, I'll bet, from the co-author "Marcy Dermansky".

A lot of those seem predicated on whether something "worked" within the film's story. Palpatine's success and Vader's influence vs. The Joker's lack of success (ultimately) and Batman's lack of influence (ultimately). They seems to equate in-universe success with a good character. That's not what a good movie's about, that's what a children's story is about. And the authors' choice of "superior dialogue" and their explanation is nothing short of silliness.


__________________
Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 12:56 AM
Click here to Send Lord Lucien a Private Message Find more posts by Lord Lucien Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Eminence
Boss

Registered: Jul 2005
Location:


 

quote:

The author definitely deserves a "caustic no u" or two and I'm not sure why such a response wouldn't be considered appropriate. There was so little [if any] objectivity to be found in that piece that I don't think any of the comments on it could have been much worse.

I thought you - and Sithisis, the Return of the Jedi novelization, his appearances in the CWC, the opera scene and a very select few others in Revenge of the Sith, and perhaps some other sources - had made perfectly compelling arguments for the merit, substance, and intrigue to be found in the character as it was; there's no need to introduce articulate but insubstantial and morbidly slanted opinion pieces. I strongly appreciate the thematic merit of what was going on in Revenge of the Sith but it was not translated into a cinema that met its enormous potential. For that fact, as I do consider it incontrovertible - although I'd be immensely pleased to have someone change my mind - to go unrecognized in a piece that specifically espouses those virtues is indicative of a party with whom discussion is probably futile.

quote:
Slash
But... if the Federation had won and they made the attack legal, then Palpatine wouldn't have been in his beneficial position, right?



But... if Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon both got killed then Anakin would have never been trained, right?



But... if Padmé died, he wouldn't have been able to use her possible death to turn Anakin, right?



But... if he killed Mace, then he wouldn't have been able to turn Anakin like he did, right?



But... that turned out for the best according to the alternate ending of the ROTS game, right

Impressive.

Most impressive.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 01:29 AM
Click here to Send Eminence a Private Message Find more posts by Eminence Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Nephthys
The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Registered: Dec 2007
Location: The End


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
They seems to equate in-universe success with a good character. That's not what a good movie's about, that's what a children's story is about.


thumb up x infinity!

That doesn't remind me anyone I know at all.....


__________________

Old Post May 27th, 2011 01:53 AM
Click here to Send Nephthys a Private Message Find more posts by Nephthys Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Lucius
Unknown

Registered: Jun 2005
Location:


 

I want antimatter for my birthday. Five grams will do.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 01:56 AM
Click here to Send Lucius a Private Message Find more posts by Lucius Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Dr McBeefington
Restricted

Registered: Jul 2006
Location:

Account Restricted


 

I want slavery reinstated for my birthday.


__________________
Greed is Good.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 01:57 AM
Click here to Send Dr McBeefington a Private Message Find more posts by Dr McBeefington Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
truejedi
Senior Member

Registered: Oct 2005
Location: United States


 

dude.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 02:10 AM
Click here to Send truejedi a Private Message Find more posts by truejedi Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Dr McBeefington
Restricted

Registered: Jul 2006
Location:

Account Restricted


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by truejedi
dude.


Too soon?


__________________
Greed is Good.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 02:11 AM
Click here to Send Dr McBeefington a Private Message Find more posts by Dr McBeefington Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Stealth Moose
Umbrella Elite

Registered: Apr 2011
Location: In Ur Raccoon City


 

Depends. Roman slavery may be okay. Plantation-era slavery, too soon.


__________________


Old Post May 27th, 2011 02:13 AM
Click here to Send Stealth Moose a Private Message Find more posts by Stealth Moose Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Lord Lucien
Lets all love Lain

Registered: Jul 2005
Location:


 

Some of us are black, you know.


__________________
Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 02:14 AM
Click here to Send Lord Lucien a Private Message Find more posts by Lord Lucien Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Dr McBeefington
Restricted

Registered: Jul 2006
Location:

Account Restricted


 

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Some of us are black, you know.


Yea and? Tired of giving you guys reparations. Might as well enslave you again.


__________________
Greed is Good.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 02:18 AM
Click here to Send Dr McBeefington a Private Message Find more posts by Dr McBeefington Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Lord Lucien
Lets all love Lain

Registered: Jul 2005
Location:


 

What? No, I meant Blax. My race genocided relocated you.


__________________
Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 02:19 AM
Click here to Send Lord Lucien a Private Message Find more posts by Lord Lucien Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Dr McBeefington
Restricted

Registered: Jul 2006
Location:

Account Restricted


 


__________________
Greed is Good.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 02:20 AM
Click here to Send Dr McBeefington a Private Message Find more posts by Dr McBeefington Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Eminence
Boss

Registered: Jul 2005
Location:


 

quote: (post)
Lord Lucien
What? No, I meant Blax. My race genocided relocated you.

eek!

Old Post May 27th, 2011 02:28 AM
Click here to Send Eminence a Private Message Find more posts by Eminence Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Eminence
Boss

Registered: Jul 2005
Location:


 

Earth-2?!

I am going there.

And renaming it.

By myself of course, because you white/Arab/Japanese folk fvck up aborigines like it's no one's business.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 02:30 AM
Click here to Send Eminence a Private Message Find more posts by Eminence Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
Dr McBeefington
Restricted

Registered: Jul 2006
Location:

Account Restricted


 

Best Tweet Ever: Powered by pure adrenaline and spiritual sweat, Derrick Rose is a soft spoken necromancer cultivating amazingly otherworldly gymnastics!!"


__________________
Greed is Good.

Old Post May 27th, 2011 02:31 AM
Click here to Send Dr McBeefington a Private Message Find more posts by Dr McBeefington Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote Quick Quote
All times are UTC. The time now is 06:38 AM.
Pages (3287): « First ... « 935 936 [937] 938 939 » ... Last »   Last Thread   Next Thread

Email this Page
Subscribe to this Thread
   Post New Thread  Post A Reply

Forum Jump:
Search by user:
 

Forum Rules:
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is OFF
vB code is ON
Smilies are ON
[IMG] code is ON

Text-only version
 

< Contact Us - KillerMovies.com - Forum Archive - Forum Rules >


© Copyright 2000-2006, KillerMovies.com. All Rights Reserved.
Forum powered by: vBulletin, copyright ©2000-2006, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.