Power levels are a measurement of ki. Guns don't have ki.
The Daizenshuu stated that his PL remained at 139 throughout all of DB.
Even if he did, it would hardly make a difference for the scale of the argument.
You're simply pulling speculation out of your ass that contradicts canon facts. Why does it take them, even in the later sagas, minutes to fly to another location on Earth? Light can circle the earth 7 times in one second. Normal humans can still see them fighting up until the end.
The way I see it this Gplex guy is Sarutobi who is Phenomenal. Why else would he come right after Sarutobi was banned who came right after Phenomenal was banned? The Mods should just ban his IP address.
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Goku fights with Piccolo could not be follow by Kamisama, invisible to his senses, when DC draw flash, we can see him doing things, so they are 2 diferents way to show speed.
This repeat many times with stronger and faster enemies in DBZ, until Vegeta ssj 2 words who say about Kid Buu: So strong and Fast Kakarrot was fighting this all this time?
If you donīt like Toriyama way to show speed that is fine, but the beams of Piccolo to Raditz is light dead beam, light rays comes from Freeza.
After training in 10 G, Goku surpass the Faster being in his Universe, and the transform into a Supersaiyan.
Superman is not more logical than DB, there is Earth 1, Earth 2, Superman fighting his future Superman, Superman powerdown, etc.
Honestly, do these retards not realize that we could apply their same type of bullshit "logic" to Superman?
Superman is constantly gaining energy from the sun.
Back in 91' he survived a sun - eater explosion, which is equal to 50 supernovae. Since he gets stronger (let's arbitrarily say 10 times stronger) every year, then that means that this year he can survive 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 supernovae this year. Furthermore, since he got stronger, that obviously means all of his powers have grown stronger in proportion, including his speed. So since he could move at 99% lightspeed in 1991, now he can move at 4,950,000,000,000,000,000 times lightspeed.
For short periods lasting a few seconds at a time.
Yet other people can't.
And yet there is no way to actually quantify their speed. Your speculation and arbitrary numbers contradict the canon.
I can barely tell what you're saying here, but in the Saban dub they made an error when Picollo said Raditz was FTL, in the original anime and the manga it just said he was fast. Picollo just had trouble seeing Frieza's attack. That only means his eyes had trouble tracking it. That in no way indicates lightspeed.
Except that, going by actual feats, the beings in his universe aren't all that fast at all.
Red herring. I'm saying that the logic YOU are using is illogical. You are attempting to draw comparisons and extrapolate with insufficient data, in direct contradiction to the canon evidence.
ki gives off light therefore it cannot be lightspeed as otherwise we would not be able to see the light it gives off. Torches and lighbulbs give off light but are quite stationary.
Which means nothing as powerful beings in his universe were impressed by 2, 10 and 40 tons.
A low feat for Marvel and DC.
Obviously you don't know anything about quantum physics, temporal mechanics, string theory nor M-theory.
Of course they are canon. But they are not logical.
Power levels do not denote any kind of quantifiable increase in speed, strength, etc. By actually measuring the abilities of characters at points in the manga, and comparing them to what their power levels say they should be capable of, we get nothing but inconsistencies.
Roshi destroyed the earth at 139 PL. The farmer had a PL of 5, and would have had more power than a nuclear arsenal. This holds true even if Roshi's PL was several times higher than 139.
Frieza destroyed the planet Vegeta with a PL of 500,000 yet in his full form he couldn't destroy the planet Namek (which was smaller).
Goku couldn't lift 10 tons in base form in the Buu saga.
DBZ characters take hours to fly somewhere else on the earth.
When Goku first demonstrated his instant transmission, everyone was amazed at how he had grabbed Roshi's glasses. If they were really even close to lightspeed, they could have rushed over there, grabbed the glasses, and returned just as fast.
Normal humans can see them fight for the majority of their fights, all the way to the end of the manga. They only move fast enough to be invisible in short bursts.
344m/s for sound rounded down to 340. Bullets move faster then sound. 60 x faster because the human eye cant pick up 60 but it can pick up 50, thus logical to say 60x faster.
Because everyone who had a higher powerlevel, was stronger and faster.
Bold - faced lie this never happen.
Opps crap I check the manga not in there it was only in the animie.
Where!! when!!! He never flew slower on earth after he got back from namic.
So your saying this beam of heat is faster then light?
How does it?
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He says "The LEGEND says its about a million kilometers" how can you use a legend for a number... legend goes that the z sword is a great weapon...
500x earth gravity is huge for someone who can change to SSj3.
Lets put a few facts down (^ means to the power ) Earth mass = 5.98x10^27, Suns mass = 1.989x10^33, black hole = 3.978x10^39
A normal blackhole is around 2 million solor masses, a solor mass is the mass of our sun. (3.978x10^39)/(5.98x10^27) = 665217391300. A black hole gravity is 665217391300x earth gravity. We know that Goku can move with ease in around 500x earth gravity in normal form. Goku is able to move with ease in 500x50x50x50 = 62500000x earth gravity. 665217391300/62500000 = 10643.49 . Goku would need to be 10643.49x stronger then he was before fighting kid buu, to stand on the surface of a blackhole without even trying. Goku appeared to be as strong as kid buu at the end of dbz in his normal form (he would only need to become 3.3x stronger a year to supass ssj3 power in his normal form), making Goku 50x50x50= 125000x stronger which is more then enough to stand on a black hole with ease.
What Quantun physics has to do With Superman in Earth 1, 2, 3, or 2 Superman fighting his future Self, or that nobody recognize a guy with his glasses. i am laughing.
My logic is that End of Manga Goku is more powerfull than Buu Saga.
40 tons weight training and Goku is moving at high speed with it in his SSJ1 form, still 2 more levels up to go. and this is before he recover from his fight against Vegeta.
I reapeat end of Manga Goku is another diferent oponent for Superman.
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