You could have just as easily made that up. what i provided with my comment is already posted and can be seen by all. let me repeat part of the rules section.
"Lucasfilm Canon Policy: "Canon includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations. These works spin out of George Lucas' original stories, the rest are written by other writers."
This affirms the idea that only the things that GL himself directly created can count for canon. The rules that follow are awkward, but basically the films are the 'primary' canon and the books and others are 'secondary', in that you assume what they say is true unless they are contradicted by the films (like Owen Lars being Obi-Wan's brother, for example)."
that is what it says. Movies are primary. Only thing Lucas can overide is the EU. Not the finished film. Commentaries would count as a secondary. Meaning the Movies override that.
Since you are not moderater the the actual movies or EU your word does not mean jack ****. That message on what is cannon was posted by a moderater that is actualy one of the ones in charge of those thread. The vs form is just that. VS. The movie is the ultimate cannon. Nothing in the movie proves Anakin is a better duelest. All it proves is that he grabbed ahold of Dooku and overpowered him.
Now, you're just grasping at straws. Rex is still a Moderator. Perhaps not a universal moderator, but he is still an authority here. Especially where the "versus" section is the biggest forum as far as canon issues are concerned, where "canon" dictates who wins the battle.
I've told you. He's told you. I have proof. You have an interpretation of the movie. If Windu's kick to Palpatine's face counts, this is just as valid. Anakin had an advantage and he took it.
i think what mace did was cheap two. it does not prove mace is better then sidious with a lightsaber and considering those two post was posted by a univeral mod i got to take his word over someone who is just the mod of a vs form.
George Lucas made the movie. So apparently, if George Lucas' word is not part of the highest level of canon, where does that leave the movie? Good job.
Furthermore, just because I mod a specific section does not mean you have any right to disrespect me as a person or insult me in any way, punk. Got that?
Count Dooku "kicked" Anakin in RotS. Suppose that was a cheap move too, eh?
The bottom line is that when Jedi and Sith engage in battle in the movies - or otherwise - they do not engage in a battle of just "lightsabers". They punch, they kick, they use The Force. Dooku used the Force against Obi-Wan in RotS and he kicked Anakin - showing that there's more to their duels than "swinging a saber".
I never said Anakin could easily overcome Dooku, but he can.
Furthermore, Lucas is the single highest authority on anything under the Star Wars umbrella. Why? Because he created it. He has more of an authority than any of the directors, writers, authors, or so forth.
He gave his interpretation of the scene. He directed RotS. He wrote it. Therefore, what he says about it, is fact.
all the evidence that they presented from commentaries says nothing about anakin being better with a lightsaber or being more skilled with the force. besides those commentaries not as high of a cannon as the movies.
It says that Dooku was under the impression that he was going to fight Anakin, whereas Palpatine really pitted them against each other to see if Anakin "was strong enough to become his new apprentice", "which he proves to be by killing Dooku".
Lucas's own words. Combine it with "the official screenplay" and all of the other evidence I gave you, and you see that Anakin truly defeated Count Dooku, and was "better".
dooke was supposed to fight him. where does it say that dooku was supposed to kill him. i have seen more evidence that dooku was supposed to just test anakin and not kill him them i have that anakin is actualy better with a lightsaber or better at using the force. hell nothing in those lines say anakin was better with a lightsaber or using the force. The movie certainly does not prove anakin was either of those two things. Indeed it was a smart move grabbing the Dooku's arm but once again it still proves that he was able to overpower him using his greater strength. It does not prove he is better with a lightsaber. The look in dooku's eyes when palpatine told Anakin to kill him was definitly the look of shock and surprise. He obvious he expected Palpatine to save him. Which Palpatine could have done. It would not be hard to use the force to free himself. Look how easily Anakin freed Palpatine's restraints using the force.
Escape 81 you keep saying that Dooku had to have been going his hardest or the 'test' wouldnt have been valid. Well that would have something to do with Dookus arrogance. There would be no need to overkill Anakin so he thought he would just casually fight and still win. However he was wrong. Anakin physically overpowered Dooku in a LIGHTSABER duel and won.This doesnt prove that Anakin is a better duellist at all. It does however show that he is stronger. And because Obi-Wan was in the fight also would have been a factor for Dooku. It used up a fair amount of the Counts energy to eliminate Kenobi. So I am not arguing that Anakin won - however it wasnt a fair victory and in a one on one battle the Count would win.
Exactly. At the point of ROTS Dooku is better than Anakin, but in years to come Anakin would have surpassed Dooku.
Typically (though not in most cases) when someone in Star Wars "fights" another, they do it with the intent to kill.
Dooku was not the one doing any testing. Palpatine was the one who was testing. He was testing Anakin to see if Anakin was powerful enough to become his new apprentice.
Ask yourself this: How could Palpatine's test be accurate if he had Dooku hold back?
Anakin never uses the Force against Dooku. Dooku uses the Force against Obi-Wan to put him out of the fight. Anakin's superiority with a lightsaber is not by miles, but when Dooku taunts Anakin, it gives him the strength to drive Dooku back - eventually overpowering him.
The movie shows him eventually beating Dooku back and disarming him. But also, the movie never indicates Dooku's superiority, either.
It was an advantage, and he took it.
You're interpreting the "source" of Dooku's shock and surprise. For all you know, he was shocked that Sidious (his master and ally) ordered his death.
And that was a deception explained in the novel. Palpatine's lie to Dooku went like this: "If by some chance you lose, I will save you".
Wrong. Dooku wasnt trying to kill Anakin because he was to be used as a general in the new army. I agree that in most cases people fight to kill but not in this specific battle.
WTF!?!?!?! Of course Dooku was the one testing. He was the one fighting. All Sids did was sit in the chair making the odd grunt and strange facial expression.
Because Dooku was arrogant. he didnt think he would have to fight his hardest against Anakin. he had bet him before with extreme ease.
Exactly. Dooku uses the force against KENOBI not Ankain. And this was because Obi-Wan wasnt important. Anakin was the real prize.
Anakin is not better with a saber. It was his physical strength that drove Dooku back and won the duel, not his lightsaber skills. I agree that Dooku taunting Anakin was not a smart thing to do but that just shows his arrogance.
Im not arguing the fact that Anakin won. All im saying is that it was not a fair duel. the scales were tipped in Anakins favor by so much its not funny.
True. But that doesnt prove that Anakin is a better duellist.
He was expecting Sids to save him and he didnt. This just proves that Sids told Dooku that he was going to help him. And if you were expecting someone to help you you wouldnt fight your hardest.
He chose not to. Exactly. Dooku was led to beleive that Sids was going to step in if Anakin got the advantage. Being the arrogant man Dooku is, he wouldnt fight his hardest if he knew there was a safety ne t there to help him.
Then we're just going to have to agree to disagree.
My opinion:
Dooku and Obi-Wan got tired as the fight progressed, whereas Anakin got even stronger (the official script even says that). When Dooku took Obi-Wan out of commission, and he taunted Anakin - inadvertantly advising him to use his rage and aggression - it gave Anakin the strength he needed to eventually overpower and defeat Count Dooku, thus making Anakin more powerful.
My opinion is supported by Lucas's commentary, the official script, and the novelization - all three are the highest canon sources. The movie leaves certain points vague, but it even underlines my overall point - when Anakin tapped into his rage and anger - he received the power to defeat Count Dooku.
Jun 28th, 2006 03:07 AM
