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The Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD Format War
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Yes. It's referring to the fact that the XBOX 360 is compatible with an HDTV to show high-definition images. Which is isnt supported by a regular televisions.

How a DVD doesn't possess high-definition picture quality. READ THE ARTICLES. Even just briefly glancing at them will convince you..... sad


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So Draco, how can 1080i be supported with XBOX 360 on DVD-ROM's?

I'm actually wondering?

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You guys, it isn't really about the disc format either. It has alot to do with the drive itself.

Draco69, you yourself said that DVD can't go up to 720p or 1080i but if you use common sense, the drive for the 360 as of right now is a regular DVD drive and they still get 1080i out of the games.

It is the optical reader of the drive that allows the HD and not just the discs.


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Originally posted by sully_2u
You guys, it isn't really about the disc format either. It has alot to do with the drive itself.

Draco69, you yourself said that DVD can't go up to 720p or 1080i but if you use common sense, the drive for the 360 as of right now is a regular DVD drive and they still get 1080i out of the games.

It is the optical reader of the drive that allows the HD and not just the discs.


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The funny thing is that alot of casual moviegoers dont even like High Def movies....."it's too clear".


If they can't afford them, from whom are you getting that opinion? Or are you just making a (bad) joke...?

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Yeah, but what's the point of buying an expansive Blu Ray player if your not going to watch your favourite movies in High Def on it?

Those DVD's will collect dust because you would want to buy them again for the High Def, the reason why you bought the player in the first place/


HD-DVD and Blu Ray Players upconvert regular DVD's to 720p automatically. The difference is minimal on a plasma HDTV, and LCD HDTV isn't available in 1080p, anyway.

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Blu-Ray is much more likely to win for three simple reasons:

A) it's a better disc overall compared to the HD-DVD

B) NINETY PERCENT of all movie studios and film corporations have sided with the Blu-Ray. HD-DVD literally has only 7 while Blu-Ray has over a thousand.

C) It has the PS3 to back it up.


..and the one reason nobody will go with Blu Ray is that the player is $1,000 compared to the $500 HD-DVD player. Also, Blu Ray titles are being cancelled left and right, as we speak because lack of support and incomplete technology. There are 5 titles dropping on the 27th when the players are first made available. At $600 dollars, nobodies going to be able to afford the PS3, either. The Deluxe 360 united are also scheduled for a price drop the same day the HD add on is made available, making it the best choice.

The main reasons that HD/Blu-ray won't be the standard for a couple of years at least are because A) a monopoly on the market, player wise. B) multiple bugs in the systems. C) $30 for one DVD is insane.

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And if you look, original xbox games go up to 720p so that throws your case right out the door.

There is even a couple original xbox games that support 1080i like Atari Anthology. All of these must be on plain DVD's so i have to say that you are wrong.


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There is even a couple original xbox games that support 1080i like Atari Anthology. All of these must be on plain DVD's so i have to say that you are wrong.


Even "Superbit" DVD titles will look and sound as good as most HD-DVD players, especially with the upconversion. It all boils down to the bitrate and compression, which is what is supposed to sell Blu-ray, when in fact, 50 megs isn't all that necessary.

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remember, xbox360 games arent just normal DVD's.....they're dual layer xD

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remember, xbox360 games arent just normal DVD's.....they're dual layer xD


They have always been dual layer (DVD-9) dating back to the original XBOX and PS2


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cant see this dying down any time soon

sony own the catalogues of nearly 60% of all hollywood films and if they want to release it on a format they developed themselves in order to make profit than i guess thats up to them

although you would've thought that the minidisc and betamax would have taught them a lesson

apparently not


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cant see this dying down any time soon

sony own the catalogues of nearly 60% of all hollywood films and if they want to release it on a format they developed themselves in order to make profit than i guess thats up to them

although you would've thought that the minidisc and betamax would have taught them a lesson

apparently not


SONY didnt create Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray is an idependant company last time I checked.


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If they can't afford them, from whom are you getting that opinion? Or are you just making a (bad) joke...?


My friends and people I talk to on a daily basis. They cant afford them, doesnt mean they havnt seen HD before, and when they do, they dont like it.

I know that doesnt mean shit overall, but they're all casual moviegoers and they all dont like HD.
But I'm wrong, and I shouldnt of said that because it doesnt equal to the majority of the people.

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They have always been dual layer (DVD-9) dating back to the original XBOX and PS2
Xbox and PS2 are normal DVD's. they hold 4.5 GB, dual layer carry 9 GB. look up specs...

Xbox : "Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD"

PS2 : "Compatible format: PlayStation format CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 format CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 format DVD-ROM, Audio CD, DVD-Video*, DVD-RW (VR mode), * The term "DVD-Video" is used to refer to DVD-R, DVD-RW (Video mode), DVD+R and DVD+RW discs."

:s no Dual layer

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Seriously. Who gives a shit? Sony's going to shove HD-DVD down everyone's throat, forcing everyone to upgrade. Blu-Ray....eh.


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Seriously. Who gives a shit? Sony's going to shove HD-DVD down everyone's throat, forcing everyone to upgrade. Blu-Ray....eh.


Why the hell would Sony shove HD-DVD down everybody's throat, when they're supporting Blu-Ray? What the f**k?


Another question: do you have any idea what you're talking about?


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..and the one reason nobody will go with Blu Ray is that the player is $1,000 compared to the $500 HD-DVD player. Also, Blu Ray titles are being cancelled left and right, as we speak because lack of support and incomplete technology. There are 5 titles dropping on the 27th when the players are first made available. At $600 dollars, nobodies going to be able to afford the PS3, either. The Deluxe 360 united are also scheduled for a price drop the same day the HD add on is made available, making it the best choice.

The main reasons that HD/Blu-ray won't be the standard for a couple of years at least are because A) a monopoly on the market, player wise. B) multiple bugs in the systems. C) $30 for one DVD is insane.


Very good points.

Sony made a VERY risky decision by making the PS3 based on Blu-Ray format. They need to win the war or else....

I hope they do. I want all three consoles to exist despite the rampant bloodlust to kill one console or another.... confused


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Xbox and PS2 are normal DVD's. they hold 4.5 GB, dual layer carry 9 GB. look up specs...

Xbox : "Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD"

PS2 : "Compatible format: PlayStation format CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 format CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 format DVD-ROM, Audio CD, DVD-Video*, DVD-RW (VR mode), * The term "DVD-Video" is used to refer to DVD-R, DVD-RW (Video mode), DVD+R and DVD+RW discs."

:s no Dual layer


Thanks for posting specs to what movies you can view or music cds you can put in. Some games do use DL DVDs.


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Thanks for posting specs to what movies you can view or music cds you can put in. Some games do use DL DVDs.
i was posting what the system can read. and dual layer DVD is not one of the types of disks it can read. notice it saying "compatible format"

http://www.dvdrw.com/press/duallayer.htm

dual layer = 2003

ps2 = 2000

xbox = 2002

turns out xbox never supported dual layer. PS2 did not at first either, but then in later models did support it. ----Supported Disc Media: PlayStation 2 format CD-ROM, PlayStation format CD-ROM, Compact Disc Audio, PlayStation format DVD-ROM (4.7 GB), DVD Video (4.7 GB). ====Later models are DVD-9 (8.5 GB Dual-Layer)=====, DVD+RW, and DVD-RW compatible.-----

so i do say i was wrong about the ps2. i was reading specs they had on release not later. but xbox never had the support for it as far as wikipedia explains.

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I don't give two pieces of shit which format wins. It won't effect me nor most people who aren't stupid early adopters who buy everything when it comes out just for the sake of buying everything.


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