However, is that rock capable of independent movement or thinking? Essentially, you are bringing in extra characters and the least we can do with those is to be able to use powers outside (not above) the power caps. Otherwise, you are breaking the 3 vs. 3 rule with those rock giants. I say they should just be banned all together.
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Punching and blasting through Constructs is different then what Khell is talking about. He is specificly talking about using teleportation and Matter Manip to beat them.
My uderstanding is that Matter manip and Teleporting can not be used in these manners.
That they can only be used by one slefon oneself or team or maybe to mold materials into weapons like Earth and Clouds which is what Shaman does but that you can't use those powers on other oppenents or abilities or attacks.
Bottom line is: the rock giants are capable of independent movement AND thinking. Therefore, they are extra characters breaking the 3 vs. 3 limit. Natually, they should just be banned all together.
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Quasar makes a humaniod construct holding on to your character. He then stops thinking about you and focuses on something else in the battle. Can I then use matter manip, time travel, or brf the damn thing away?
Quasar can create many many constructs at one time and use them all without much effort and he really doesn't sap to much of his power to do it. Are they extra characters because in reality Quasar can do more even though he still controls them without taxing himself. He doesn't have to focus all his attention on them. He can still blast people and do other things just the same as Shaman can do with his constructs there is no differnce except that our constructs have to be told what to do and we aren't thinking them to do it.
Slight difference here. Time manipulation was banned out right. No one can use it in any form whatsoever. Matter manipulation and teleportation were only banned in certain circumstances. One team can't turn the other team into ham sandwiches or teleport them across the Universe. Other than that, every is in as far as I know.
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It seems that Digi is needed like I said my interuptation is that Matter Manip and Teleportation can only be used on yourself and teammates. An to make constructs that you and your teamamtes can use.
I think we need to wait for Digi to clear this up before we go one because now we're just debating our ideas of what a statement means and as such we should wait until the person that made the statement comes back to clarify it.
Edit: The Stone Giants are in Digi alreadt allowed there is no more point in trying to argue them out. If your intrpetation is the correct one then yes they can be teleported and Matter Maniped but until then I don't think they can.
I thought only independent constructs would be limited. I don't have a problem with quasar making like forty of his own if he wants to as they aren't independent of him which I think is legal.
See to me that right there should also be limited. I don't care if they are linked to Quasar, I still don't think there should be like 100 different construct running around for us to fight off. Same goes for a GL. They have been known to create armies with their rings. Even connected constructs should be limited to like 10-15 or something like that.
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I don't think so becuase that is their power and them using there power there is a difference between making something self containing and something that your powers have to maintain.
The number of constructs a GL makes doesn't matter as the damage one or a thousand can do is linked to their will power just as the strength Quasar's constructs are linked to his initial design of them. Honestly, if people would just look at the conditions that a GL, Quasar, and Shaman have to meet in order to create constructs/golums I think everyone would realize that this isn't that big of an issue.
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