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Well, Episodes I-III aren't bad, they are good movies, just, when you try to compare them with the originals. They fall short. Very short. That's why they have a bad reputation.
Uh, no. The prequels have a fine reputation. They were box office champs, enjoyed mostly good-to-excellent reviews, and are the most successful prequels in the history of film. And the prequels are an emotional set of films, i.e. there is quite a bit more tragedy and loss, as well as joy.
But I don't know why some people insist on comparing them as if they were in some celebrity death match or something.
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Re: What makes the new movies better than old ones?
First the origionals were episodes 4,5, and 6. and the Prequils were 1,2, 3. secondly I also grew up AFTER the OT but I like them beter than the PT because:
1. The acting was beter
2. The force, and the Future was a mystery.
3. It was more of a war.
4. EP1. was an invasion of one planet. 2 was a love story between Anakin and Padme'. 3 was the only good one of the PT.
5. it had the Jedi order begining again through Luke.
6. Ewan McGregor was a good Obi-wan but he can't touch Alec Guinness.
7. Natalie Portman was a HORRIBBLE Padme'
8. George Lucas looked more at plot and story than which way the droid turned in the OT.
9. The PT became Hollywood-ized.
10. The OT Movies are Timeless classics.
11. GL Hates Star Wars Now, He's trying so hard to end the pain of nerdy fan boys sending leters asking idiotic questions like "What's Luke's Shoe size?"
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The OT had the plot, acting, and writing.
The PT had super graphics, animation, and explosions.
You do not make a movie with graphics (which is why 90% of current movies suck) It's the writing and Plot.
Lucas had to tie side characters into it, disregarding EU that he considered Canon for about 20 years(probably less, not sure when first EU came out) He tried to add childish comedy (Jarjar for example)
I could go on and on about this but...
OT scores 10/10
Pt scores 3/10 (The 3 is for Lightsaber Fights and Battle Sequences =P)
I think the PT is better. The OT may have a more solid storyline, but the PT is more fun to watch. Yeah they used CGI. Who cares. The OT used models.
The writing isn't bad either in my opinion, it's just movie. It's made for entertainment, not life like accuracy. People that are in love don't speak to each other in polished hollywood like dialogue, so the stuff between Anakin and Padme is fine to me. People don't have to pick over every small thing that might be wrong with it. Sometimes the way the lines are delivered can make the writing seem bad.
SW fans can be divided into two categories: the OT generation, including myself and most members of this forum, and the PT generation, which has its potential in today's kids. I'm not saying OT fans necessarily don't like the PT, they just see it differently than the other generation. This debate will be really interesting in ten or twenty years, when more people will have seen the saga in its originally conceived order I to VI and therefore will have a different point of view.
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How so? My idea of entertainment is reflected more by a Han-Leia banter than a CGI effect.
True. Some people should keep their feet on the ground, although I understand the need for realism, which I don't always have unless I'm supposed to buy a movie as a true story. The dialogue between Anakin and Padme was almost fine with me too at first, but after I read the novels I felt like it was missing something.
I disagree. If a line is bad or cheesy, it comes out as bad or cheesy. If a movie has a problem, the two people you have to blame before everyone else are the screenwriter and the director. Too bad in this case it was the same person.
The PT was good and all. Episode III is my favorite just because it is the darkest of the films. But the PT seemed to rely on the story the OT made too much. Episode I and II seemed to lack a beginning.
We're not talking about nostalgia, we're talking about points of view. I certainly don't see the PT under a certain light because of nostalgia, if you do that's your problem. Logically speaking, there's more probability that people will watch the SW films in a I to VI order in twenty years than in two or five. At that point, the only "nostalgia crap", as you so very well put it, will come from people who had a "back up", aka the OT, when the PT came out and who still won't accept the fact that these films were made in a way which, according to them, fell very far from the tree. As far as I know George Lucas has no intention of making episodes VII, VIII and IX, which means future generations will have nothing new to compare with the old stuff.
1) Lack of a strong villain. Unlike the OT, where Vader was the man to fear for the entire trilogy, the PT had no strong villain figure. Palpatine just sat in the background scheming and plotting never really doing anything evil until halfway through RotS. Every time we meet a strong villain character (Maul, Dooku, Grevious), they die very quickly and we never get to a point where they could be recognized and feared. If Lucas had let Maul escape after he killed Qui-Gon instead of being killed, then had him lead the seperatists in Episode II before finally being killed by Obi-Wan in Episode III, things would have been a lot better on that front. Or perhaps introducing Darth Tyranus in TPM (Which would have been cool, since he trained Qui-Gon).
2) Lack of a strong group dynamic. In the OT, Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, R2 and Threepio all knew and interacted with each other in various ways. TPM was able to capture this feeling with Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Padme, R2 and Jar Jar, but it completely dissapeared after that. It became a "Chain" as opposed to a "net." Padme interacted only with Anakin (which made her seem somewhat like a 5th wheel), who interacted only with her and Obi-Wan, who interacted only with Anakin and Yoda/Mace. See? No group, there. It really hurt the feel and cohesion of the movie. Instead of watching seperate parts of one story that weaved through each other from time to time, it felt like we were watching several completely seperate stories that coalesced into one at the very end.
3) Lack of a strong lead actor and lead actress. Covered above.
4) Lack of beliavability. Anakin's fall to the dark side was WAAAY too rushed. It just felt like "OK, just killed my master in a spur of the moment event. Guess I'm evil now, so I'll go and slaughter everyone I ever knew and loved. I'll even kill the kids so I seem even more evil. Oh... maybe I should be a bit remorseful too, so I guess I'll go off and cry for a bit."
5) Lack of strong space battles. TPM's space battle wasn't bad, but it didn't capture the epic feeling of either of the Death Star Battles. RotS's space scene was ho-hum at best. The whole thing felt like it was on rails a la Starfox.
6) Narrow-view of the Star Wars universe. Again, aside from TPM, the entire series is focused almost entirely on the Jedi and their way of life. In the OT, we had a smuggler, a rebel leader, a Jedi and an business man. Each of these gave us a seperate view of the galaxy. In the PT, it really just felt like you were following an upper-class noble around and had no chance to get a feel for some of the "cooler" parts of the galaxy like the Mos Eisley cantina.
7) We knew the story already. This really couldn't be helped, but it did hurt the movies.
8) Lacked the epic feeling of the OT. In the Battle of Yavin, the fate of the Rebellion was in the hands of a handful of rebel pilots hurtling towards the seemingly-unstoppable might of the Death Star. At the Battle of Endor, the destiny of the entire Galaxy sat on a razors edge as the forces of good and evil clashed in a final battle of titanic proportions. There were no such instances in the PT. Just a sudden takeover by the Empire and a slaughter of the Jedi. Maybe if the Republic had at least put up a fight before it got taken over, things would have been better.
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I agree with what's been said, The OT was my childhood, the PT is my escapism in my adult life and I'll still be thinking about these 6 movies every day even if I live to be 100.
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This is true, but having a supervillian like Vader would have diminished Vaders real power as a villian and power in the saga.
Very True.
In some ways I feel the PT is more believable than the OT. The PT actually aknowledges morla shades of grey in the universe. The OT is far more about moral contrast.
I liked the TPM space battle exluding Anikans childish antics. I also thought that Obi-Wan and Jango in the asteroid field was very good. This main difference comes from the fact that Luke and Han are both pilots...there's bound to be more dogfighting. If Lucas would have let Anakin actually dogfight in ROTS, I would have said they were equal.
It your way it is narrower. We stay focused on high society, but it IS an aspect of the Universe that was not presented in the OT. The change in focus showd the massive destabilization that the CLone Wars and the Empire caused.
Definately a huge minus for the OT. But I can't imagine watching all of ANH and ESB already knowing the Vader-Luke relationship.
You over exadgerate the OT. I find the Republic-Confederacy conflict very epic. Endor was no more epic than Coruscant save for the fact that Endor actually got us into some cockpits. Good/Evil conflicts are lame imo. I find much more truth and interest in evil/evil and good/good conflicts like the Repulic and the COnfederacy. The PT actually lets us see some epic planets instead of hanging out in cockpits and small rooms all the time. The ground battles of the PT are much more epic than the OT and the lightsaber combat between the two is almost uncomparable.
Endor was more epic in the sense that this was a do or die mission, if they failed here, that was it, the Rebels are finished.
Coruscant's battle had no background to it in the movies other than their kidnapping of Palpatine. We didn't really know which fleet was more powerful, who was really winning the war, or really just what was going on. Plus it focused solely on Anakin and Obi-Wan, whereas Endor was all over the map, showing us the battle from all sides.
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Jul 4th, 2006 02:52 PM
I like the PT, I just like the OT more. 
