I remember when I was reading a bit of Luke once in the bible, I just found him to be a jackass, streight up. He constantly told people how great he was, showed off, judged people every chance he got, and threatend people with "eternal suffering" to follow him and listen to him.
I believe what ever god is is not judgemental..........it's part of the creative process and has an intellect........maybe we chose what we are to experience..........we are part of that process, and no matter what we choice, it would not condemn us, but give us what we asked for..
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Hi Debbiejo,
I am not called to prove the Bible. None of the people in times past that God called to proclaim the gospel had to try and prove the good news. So, I take my cue from them.
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Actually I would say you are wrong there. They were, in fact, called upon to do just that, they simply chose not to/were unable to. That is different from no one questioning them.
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Well, for starters all of the other gods don't exist. Second, my God has informed me that there is no other god besides Him.
Isaiah 44:6
“ Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And His Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘ I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.
Pretty plain, huh Debbiejo? One more time for good measure.
Isaiah 45:21
Tell and bring forth your case;Yes, let them take counsel together. Who has declared this from ancient time? Who has told it from that time? Have not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me.
Why does God reiterate the fact that there is no other (true, actual, living) God besides Himself? Because THERE ISN'T. I know this is hard for ya'll to accept. The truth is always more difficult to accept than a lie. Folk swallow lies every day...hook, line, sinker, the fisherman, the fisherman's boat, his reel, and boots.
tsk. tsk.
Isaiah 45:22
“ Look to Me [the one, true, living God], and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other .
Okay God, we get it.
Mark 12:32
So the scribe said to Him [Jesus], “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.
The scribe believes that there is one God too. Well, I guess you can see why I believe the way that I do. I simply believe what the Bible has to say about God.
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He personally came down and told you? Or you read it in the Bible and believed it?
Personally for me if I were o believe in one God, I don't think I could say so definitively that there were no others in a "but definitely no others. Just that one. He said so." Especially when so many of there religions make such similar claims, just with different gloss.
Which is why I would be shallow. If I accept a number of religions are peddling the same service and promise, I would look at the way they present it - the only thing setting them apart being their story and mythos, frankly I find the old religions much more exciting. That, and Ganesh appeals to me more in a conceptual fashion. And Buddha in a philosophical one.
(note: I am slightly joking, if I were to believe it would be with reason, not just the shiniest one. Though I stand by the "pagan" religions still being a more interesting study story teller wise.)
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God did not copy them. Judaism can be dated back to 2800 BC at a minimum with the book of Job estimated to be even older than that. Judaism is an original religion and Christianity is as well as the belief in the Messiah dates back to 1800 BC. The argument that Judeo-Christian beliefs are copied is useless because it proves nothing and cannot debase Judeo-Christian beliefs because it can never truly be proven. Mentioning it useless because it does not add to the debate nor does it show any logical rebuttal. I wish everyone on the forum would just quit using it as an out because it can not be shown as fact.
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Actually I think you will find that it can be argued, it can be debated, and there is good reason to believe it true. Historians, an theological historians have done a lot of work on how religions evolve - and Christianity is one of them. There is plenty of indications Christianity draws upon bits and pieces of many religions that came before it - both pagan polytheistic and Judeo monotheistic.
Nothing against Christianity. Most faiths have bits they absorbed/assimilated from other religions. But don't delude yourself into thinking Christianity is somehow special. That it sprang fully formed into the world like Athena from the brow of Zeus. It is just as guilty of bastardising and taking bits of pre-Christian religion as its own as most any other religion.
No, my life is full of love - your lying propaganda tracts are neither needed, nor desired, and the only thing they could achieve is to make a person unhappy who believed them.
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I would argue that Christianity is based purely on the Messianic prophecies from the OT. You are right that it can be debated and many points of copying are valid (though I think untrue). However, my main point is that it is a pointless debating tactic should not be used to prove a point because it doesn't prove anything. I hope that you at agree with that.
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Jul 26th, 2006 07:31 PM
Deb are you starting to stutter.
