ur wrong. the very IDEA of god is self contradictory. ill give u the most basic of evidence and then u can see if u can come up with an answer to it.
god is all powerful{omnipotent} he has power to do ANYTHING and everything
but god is also omniscient{all seeing} meaning he can see EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING and knows ALL. now that would mean that he also knows what HE{god} WILL do and how EXACTLY anything he does will be done. but that would limit him to a very exact pattern of things he CAN do as he KNOWS that he cant do anything other than what he KNOWS and has seen himself do. this contradicts omnipotence as he is powerless to do anything other than what he KNOWS he will do. and if infact he CAN do sumthing different than that mean that he is NOT "ALL SEEING" as that particular thing was overlooked in his sight.
Hey Grimm22, I am going to tell you just like Jesus told this guy: YOU ARE NOT FAR FROM THE KINGDOM OF GOD based on what you have just written.
Mark 12:34
Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” But after that no one dared question Him.
* however, the idea of God being omnipotent [can do anything and everything] and omniscient [knows all], is NOT Biblical... maybe you know a different kind of god, but the God in the Bible is NOT omnipotent nor omniscient...
Yet it is a view that many Christians proclaim and support. And if one agrees that God is neither omniscient or omnipotent that does no make him unassailable by logical terms as he is neither possess complete power, nor does he posses perfect knowledge. As such it is a valid debate he could be wrong about things, that there are physical limitations to him and so on.
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* that is the problem... eventhough some might say it is only my interpretation, but what i say is in accordance with the Bible by which many self-proclaimed "Christians" always claim they are... they are in direct contrary to the very thing they claim they are in accordance with...
I for now will let the atheist belive what they want, but i belive in my faith and religion as a catholic.
"We believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord; Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontious Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell; the third day He arose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body and life everlasting. Amen."
Luke 23:34: 'Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do...."
This is the way you should be, besides the wrong way.
1) "Hahahaha! You believe in a God! You're one stupid ****er!" (Bad way to be an atheist)
2) "You're a Southern Baptist? That's cool. I'm an atheist. Please don't shoot me. I'm not criticizing you... no! STOP! PLEASE! I'M NOT INSULTING YOU!" (Good way to be an atheist... or... maybe not...)
I for now, dont care what you belive.
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No one cares what you beleive either Sorry to say...
But this particular thread is not about what you or I beleive, so much as it is about JesusIsAlive's claim that there are only two categories of people: The Saved and the Unsaved.
His lists contradict reality, as qualities from both "the saved" and "unsaved" lists are possessed by most people. I know for certain, after reading his lists that I qualify as BOTH according to the descriptions listed....
So which Am I ? Saved or Unsaved ? If I register under both categories, by his very listed definitions, then How could I be just one or the other ? I am sure many Athiests, Agnostics, and even Religious people cannot make sense of his black and white divisions.
The funny thing is that JesusIsAlive claims that all people who beleive in God and Jesus, and that all people who claim to love God and Jesus are essentially good people. Wrong
There are many Christians who are hateful and contain powerful bigotry, yet pray to God all the time, and believe that Jesus is savior wholeheartedly.
There are also many Athiests and Agnostics who happen to be very good and very loving people. According to this lists, those who do not beleive in God are wicked....whether or not they are actually good or bad people.
According to JIA, I am a child of Satan, simply because I do not beleive what he beleives...talk about extemism and irrationality...not to mention how dangerous a mentality he possesses. So, Jacope X, I couldn't care less what you beleive. You can beleive whatever you want...you can beleive in God, in the tooth fairy, in Santa Clause, WHATEVER you want....atleast you don't show signs of being insane. JesusisAlive, however, has proven to not only be insane, but blind, ignorant, narrow minded, prejudice, closed to other sources of Truth, hypocritical, unrealistic, and a straight out liar.
This JesusIsAlive person follows the same mindset from back in the Inquisition, according to my extremly religous grandmother, I just have to be a good Human-Being to get into Heaven, though I don't believe in it, course she's Lutheran I think, not Catholic
6 I glory in plainness; I glory in truth; I glory in my Jesus, for he hath redeemed my soul from hell.
7 I have charity for my people, and great faith in Christ that I shall meet many souls spotless at his judgment-seat.
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Aug 3rd, 2006 03:12 PM
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