I'm sorry, but you haven't been to heaven to affirm that it DOES exist. If someone asks you for proof of your argument, you dont use the same source and same information over and over, you find another piece of information that backs up either the point your making or the older information.
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I am aware that "your" should be "you're," and while I know I should change it as not to offend the grammar fans around the boards, school always said not to bow to peer pressure so it stays as it is
I can understand most of what he says, and his reasons for saying. I have less trouble with peejayd in terms of his beliefs and the way he expresses them then I do with JIA far more evangelical, brook no questions style.
However I see what Alliance is saying in his interpretation of JIA's post. Both JIA and peejayd are Christians, yet their interpretations of the bible don't always match up. JIA has avoided attacking peejayd's interpretations of the Bible by claiming not to be able to understand what he was saying - it would appear to be an effort not to risk his own claims of the Bible's being a literal truth revealed when one is "saved" as peejayd qualifies as this, yet still doesn't always conform to JIA's own claims.
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Imperial is correct, that is what I was going for. peejayed uses the smae logic JIA does. While imo they are both wrong, thier similarity makes them extremely powerful against eachother. JIA's assessment of peejayd's post was totally off, as you pointed out.
A completely logical and likely explination about why JIA would attack peejayd's posting ABILITY and not the posts themselves is to make up the lame exuse that JIA provided, for the reason I provided.
* i think, it comes down to a person's "pre-conceived idea" that makes him conclude anything he reads in the Bible, which always leads to a misinterpretation... but in my perspective, if we read something in the Bible, we should not conclude immediately... we should consider the context of the verse and the other books in the Bible for better comprehension and understanding the word of God...
* for example: the omnipresence of the Father, which is not Biblical... the Bible tells us He is in heaven (Matthew 6:9), He dwelleth not in temples made by man (Acts 17:24)... which makes Him NOT in every place...
* however, i really do respect everyone's opinions... it's just that, when it comes to the Bible, i just feel i need to react whenever someone says not in accordance with it... not to demean someone but for enlightenment...
Its fine if you attack christians who claim to be speaking gods word. Literal fighting literal is a good thing. But many chirstians don't take the bible literally, and many do not believe it to be the word of god.
To me, believing the bible is devine is absolutely and unfathomably rediculous to the highest degree's imaginable. There is no way to describe how rediculous it is. You might consider its context, but you still take it literally, no matter what. I could arbitrarily choose any book and make it the devine word. Its totally illogical.
That is the DISTINCTION between you and me: my God requires me to BELIEVE first, BEFORE I SEE, not the other way around. It is called FAITH, and faith pleases God.
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
John 20:29
Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed .”
1 Peter 1:8
whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory ,
1 Corinthians 1:27
But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise....
Well, isn't God/Jesus a bit unfair in this matter? There are people, more every day, who can't "just believe." Not out of evil, but simply because it is not in their nature. Your religion demands sincerity. How can that be expected of people who have no proof? We could all pray and try our darnedest, but really, it is not in the nature or mankind to just believe with nothing to give reason for that belief.
It is all well and good to say "believe" but tell us *how* to do this.
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There YOU go with your RATIONALIZATIONS again. Your rationalizations + God's will don't equal faith (that which PLEASES God), it equals DOUBT and UNBELIEF to put it mildly. Like Ushgarak told me in another place Imperial_Samura, "You don't get to make the rules...." Okay, I changed the wording a little bit, but that is the gist. Imperial_Samura, like I told you if YOU choose not to believe that is YOUR prerogative, press on. No one is FORCING you to believe, just carry on with your life. Like I said in another place, God's Word will bear itself out in the final analysis. I honestly don't know why YOU keep responding to my posts. You seem like a pretty level-headed person, but it appears that something won't let you let go of this. You insist on trying to rationalize EVERYTHING but when it comes to the things of God, you just can't. You either except the things of God by faith or you don't. Do you follow me? That really is all there is to it. I don't have any trouble NOT believing in Buddah, Confucious, Mormonism, Catholicism, Islam, Masonic beliefs and so on. I just press on. But you seem to keep trying to convince yourself of something. Like deep down you WANT to believe the Bible if you just had a little more evidence of something. Guess what you are never going to get it. Believe or don't believe. If you choose the latter (and you already have) then press on.
Faith is sometimes difficult to have in abundant amounts. But, I believe in God and Jesus as the Savior and in the power of the Holy Spirit both rationally and by faith.
My logical belief:
1. People healed in the name Jesus of Nazereth.
2. Lives changed for the better, addictions broken, terrible backgrounds overcome by faith.
3. Blessings of Jesus on my and people's lives.
4. Answered prayers.
5. Speaking in tongues (done the right way with interpretation).
6. Prophecies given in this age that have come true (ie. the prophecy given over me when I was a few months old).
7. Christian aid organizations helping people around the world more than any secular groups.
8. The Bible Code prophecies.
9. I realize that Jesus fulfills OT prophecies concerning the Messiah.
'HOW' I believe:
1. Anything is possible if I have true faith in Jesus Christ.
2. I realize that Jesus fulfills OT prophecies concerning the Messiah and accept him as the son of God and as my personal savior.
3. I accept the blessings that God has promised me through his Word (the Bible).
4. I obey God's commands and see the rewards in my life.
5. Repent of my sins when I commit them and ACCEPT God's forgiveness and accept that I am washed clean of my sin by the blood of Jesus.
6. I follow Jesus's example and see that I am greater when I do.
Yes, I agree there is something bigger than we can understand..........but that is my opinion..........and it's not in a book, though some thoughts were put into it, but ultered..
Why would God lie and how does it limit him?
God does not need to lie therefore it does not limit him. Think about it that way. God by his nature wants us to no the truth so lying would contradict his nature. And I know that God is not contradictory (although people here think he is).
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