1. OT Vader has his disadvantages though. He is slow for one, and probably couldn't keep with his Pre burnt counterpart if they were to engage in a duel.
2. I'm giving you what is right and what is wrong. What is wrong, is that people are assuming Sion will create a small scale Force Storm with no problem. Which is funny, because Sidious himself(Who is a hell of a lot more powerful than Sion ever was.) had trouble controlling them once he made them.
3. I can't read your posts because you are bad at spelling. Spell Check is your friend .
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1. yes vader is slow but strength is great and force connection is stronger than anakin, lol come on 19 years to the OT he had regained his power.
2. yes you are right in most of it, im only saying sion CANT control and will die from the storm, !!! i said sidious is way stronger than sion
3. yes im bad at spelling an lazy
vader knows makashi and the other form 3, that makes the shien form, and why would sion want to suprise attack vader? as AOTC anakin he knew ataru and could do the same to sion.
sion only knows makashi and djem so/shien
the only advantage is sion is faster, vader has the strenght and has dun moch,
ok ill stop now this isnt sion vs vader but we could have a lil chat bout it
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1.No. Since Vader lost his limbs, he is significantly weaker than his pre-burnt counterpart. If he hadn't had those injurys, he couldve casted Sith lightning, and have been more faster and stronger than post-burnt Vader would ever be.- From ROTS Novel, not in those exact words, but it's there. And Vader lost ALL his limbs, which means he wouldn't be able to perform acrobatics in a duel(Soresu , Ataru.) And cannot use Makashi because he is not fast enough, so he was limited to Djem So, which requires only brute strengh then any of the other forms-from Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader,not in those exact words, but it's there.
2. Then we agree.
3. Then we agree.
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i said he regained his powers over time and became at the same level as anakin skywalker, his connection of the force is far stronger than anakin, he can do lightning but he doesnt risk it because it messes his life support system. and he will die.
physical strength vader is stronger, many sources said that because of the suit, note it was palpatine who beefed up the suit. OT vader would finish ROTS anakin in a fight, OT vader is just as strong as ROTS anakin, he cant force jump as good and he is much slower.
still he has crush, a far stronger force choke, much better push and can flung objects at his opponent while in a duel
no denying he cant do acrobats because of his legs, but he still knows how to counter them
OT vader is just as strong as anakin sky in ROTS just that limitations like speed and only rely on shien.djem so and force powers
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1. No, he can't. In the ROTS, Sidious even states this. He only regains a minimal amount of Anakin's power. If he hadn't had those injuries, he wouldve been more powerful than OT Vader ever was.He couldve:Used all Saber and not be restricted to a single form,couldve been faster and more agile then OT Vader ever was, couldve used Force Lightning, couldve been more powerful.
2. And Anakin can't throw objects? No, Anakin is more powerfu lthan OT, Vader. Anakin brought down an entire roof to a complex just by being angry.-Labyrinth of Evil. Mechanical limbs, weaken a Force User's abilities. It says so in both the ROTS novel and Rise of DV. You can't contradict canon with your own opinion.
And give me the names of your 'sources' that state the suit helping Vader, cause RODV and ROTS novels clearly say otherwise.
At any rate, I'm done. This isn't Sion Vs Vader. A discussion for another time, perhaps.
1. You clearly don't understand the difference between a factor and a requirement.
2. lmao, thanks for pointing this out for me because you just lead me to evidence that throws your argument out of the window. Here's the passage:
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A NEW JEDI ORDER
A Naboo skiff reverted to realspace and flashed toward an alien medical installation in the asteroid belt of Polis Massa.
Tantive IV reentered reality only moments behind.
And on Mustafar, below the red thunder of a volcano, a SithLord had already snatched from sand of black glass the charredtorso and head of what once had been a man, and had alreadyleapt for the cliffbank above with effortless strength, and had already roared to his clones tobring the medical capsule immediately!
The Sith Lord lowered the limbless man tenderly to the coolground above, and laid his hand across the cracked and blackenedmess that once had been his brow, and he set his will upon him.
Live, Lord Vader. Live, my apprentice.
Live.
Now it's clear that it was Sidious' will that let Anakin live, not Anakin's. So unlucky.
Sidious wasn't in the operating room, or 'willing' Anakin in the Medical Capsule. Aswell as there is nothing hinting us to Sidious 'healing' Anakin on the way to Coruscant. Even if Sidious did do that, it wasn't for a very long time. I'm surprised Vader didn't die or pass out during the Surgery it took to reconstruct him. It certainly wasn't Sidious' Will that helped him through both the Surgery and the time it took to get back to Coruscant. And we only saw Sidious 'will' him while waiting for the medical capsule. We don't have an exact estimate on how much Sidious 'willed' Anakin. And even before Sidious arrived, what about that? He wasn't there to help Anakin that time.
And yes, you are unlucky, very unlucky indeed.
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sparten is right, it was his will which kept him alive, its sidioud who dumped him in the suit and brought him for surgery, i think he would have died if sidious fell asleep and not care
The Sith Lord lowered the limbless man tenderly to the coolground above, and laid his hand across the cracked and blackenedmess that once had been his brow, and he set his will upon him.
Live, Lord Vader. Live, my apprentice.
Live.
Those were the exact words.
'Sidious set his will upon him...'
'Live, Lord Vader. Live, my apprentice...'
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Aug 29th, 2006 10:51 AM
!!! i said sidious is way stronger than sion
