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No need to get testy. Upset because someone disagrees? Believe me, I watched Pirates 2. And a "Happy-Ending" would not be Jack Sparrow stealing poor Will Turner's fiance from him and having Liz and Jack have a big affair. Meanwhile Will is crying after going through all of that hardship from both movies to save the girl he doesn't even get. Pffft. Sounds like Disney [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, if Disney is so concerned about moral values, then why do they have all that flirting going on between Jack and Elizabeth. To me it would have made more since to just have good old fashion action like they did in Pirates 1, show her missing Will. Why doesn't she tell Jack on the stairs "I'm upset. I miss Will, we should be married." No, instead she says (after just recently having a sexual conversation with Jack) to Jack, "I just thought I'd be married by now. I'm so ready to be married." If she is so in love with Will and missing him so much, then why is she spending all her time flirting with Jack, encouraging him to kiss her. If she was disgusted with Jack, she wouldn't be trying to get him to kiss her. I wouldn't want to get someone to kiss me that I thought was disgusting. Yes, she does leave Jack to die, but it is an impulse moment, one she is definetly regretting...remember Jack tells her, "You will come over to my side, one day....you will act on a selfish impulse because you won't be able to resist." That's why he calls her "Pirate" at the end of the kiss.
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A happy ending would mean Jack sparrow..Liz is changing into someone who doesnt want marriage..she wants the pirate life..the whole movie developed her AWAY from Will so that this could happen..Jack is changinf..he came back for her most of all..that whole scene where she clings to his leg symbolizes that. She wants to be free and Will resembles restriction.
Also the Director himself has said that Davy Jone's tragic love story is mirrors Will and Liz's love story in the next one...so thats pretty doomed wouldn't you say?
Wills priorities are changing..its more about his father now. He completley forgot about Liz..he set out to save her then got completley side tracked..when he found her on the island it was by accident..he wasnt there looking for her..he kissed her then basically ignored her again. He expected her to just sit pretty.
there are more than an excess of hints suggesting Jack/Liz..but by this point in the movie the characters are in denial. So they are made to look like "ifs" and "buts"
there are 3 characters in the story (all people who can see the bigger picture) who KNOW that Jack wants Liz and vise versa.
Thats Norrington, Tia and Beckett..its no coincidence that these 3 can see it..these are the charcters in the story who's job/personality is to over see everything. Tia - Mind reader, Beckett - EIT..he looks over the world, Norrington - came from a similar position and ends up working for the EIT in the end. ALL of these 3 knew what both characters wanted and that they were in denial about it.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Jul 25th, 2006 at 11:30 PM
So they almost kissed again....yeah? They won't end up together. If so, that would be....eck. How do you know she wants to BE a pirate? She never said that. Everyone keeps treating that as a fact when you are all just guessing that she wants to be a pirate.
She didn't smile every time they flirted. And even if she smiled occasionally, what girl doesn't smile when being the object of flirtation? Fine then "Fiance" stealer.
The main part of this post: I should probably just stop posting this. Everyone just seems to be ignoring the evidence I provide and just saying their same arguements over and over again that I have already put down. Damn the people of kmc with no sense of debate.
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She wants to be one because in an interview Keira Knightly herself said THATS what her character wants in the movie...so stuff it mate ^^
She didn't just turn from posh little girl into swash buckling pirate for no reason...
From the very first movie..even as a little girl she says she finds pirates really interesting.
Also The director said that Liz/Will's relationship is mirroring Davy Jones's in the next movie. Davy cut his heart out because his woman became uncontrollable like the sea and left the marriage..LIZ is doing the exact same thing. isn't she? there are hints beyond hints that a married life with Will is not what she wants. In both the mise en scene and dialogue..
Last edited by LovelyOne on Jul 25th, 2006 at 11:38 PM
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No but she plays the character the direcotrs WRITE FOR HER So I think she knows what her character is about UNLESS SHE CANT READ A SCRIPT AND IS DEAF TO WHAT THE DIRECTORS TELL HER TO DO WHILST SHOOTING. Remember that they are already mid way through shooting the second movie..so she knows what her character is about more than we do.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Jul 25th, 2006 at 11:43 PM
Calm down children, everyone has their own opinions and are welcome to share them.
I dont mind a debate, of corse I keep way back in my head that Jack and Liz MAY NOT happen because Disney is Disney lets face it as it was brought up before. I am not expecting my Happy little fairy tale of Jack and Liz getting together to come true, I DO expect some more relationship development between Jack and Liz to happen but I dont really expect them to ditch Will so suddenly and leaving him heart broken unless they are planning on having him cutt out his heart like most people are saying.
I know I am a fan of Liz and Jack but I think what disney is aiming for is maybe they rescue Jack from purgetory , while this is going on Will realizes that the two have some sort of connection because Liz is becoming more 'Pirate'. So it could end in many ways, like Liz and Will could end up together in the end if Jack decides he is too selfish to give up his life as a pirate (If thats what disney plans to write). What Liz really wants is to discover her pirate side of herself and to be FREE of her on land life as the governors daughter. Its like those old disney tales, Aladdin or Cinderellla where they are trapped and long to be free so they live the life of someone else they long to be like. But In Liz's case she just wants a chance to be free, maybe just maybe, disney will end it with the 3 of them together venturing out and Liz and Will are married like they wanted, Jack has his ship like he wanted, and Liz has her freedom like she wanted. And everyone is happy
But who knows theres a tiny bit of hope for those Jack/Liz fans but it might not end exactly how they wanted. Lets face the fact that MOST of the audience was pretty much pissed off when she chained Jack to the ship and left him there. Who knows how the next one will end.,....
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LOL sorry...I dont want to intimidate you or anything...when i do sarcastic eyerolls and stuff its just me being silly.
Ok the interview from the UK premiere special,
She didnt say "she wants to be a pirate" but its basically what she means in the interview..she says her character has a fettish/obssesion for pirates and the gruby guy with dreadlocks is who she prefers (Jack)
And i'll find my hat theory and post it in a second
Also Lovethemtigers I think the majority of the audience failed to pick up on the fact Jack was loving the whole situation and so wwas she. Its a movie that you have to watch more than once to realise whats really going on which i think was Disneys goal. The characters are all in a state of confusion but there are messages hinting towards what they all really want in the movie. So its like the audience are confused but if they look again they see the undertone of hints the second or third time they watch it.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Jul 26th, 2006 at 12:02 AM
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yes but with obssesion the person usually craves what they are obssesed with..they want to have it and they want to BE it in some circumstances..for example female fans of Keira want to be her. Male fans of some rock star usually want to be their idol..because they are so obssesed with him *cough* elvis *cough* They want the lifestyle of the person they adore. Funnily enough Liz starts to dress like Jack in this movie.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Jul 26th, 2006 at 12:08 AM
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Jul 25th, 2006 08:52 PM
^^
So I think she knows what her character is about UNLESS SHE CANT READ A SCRIPT AND IS DEAF TO WHAT THE DIRECTORS TELL HER TO DO WHILST SHOOTING. Remember that they are already mid way through shooting the second movie..so she knows what her character is about more than we do. 
Its a movie that you have to watch more than once to realise whats really going on 
