pretty much you hit it on the nail will all three posts. i think we are all arriving at that special place of really wanting to see Jack and Liz together.
we will all have to comfort one another big time if it doesnt happen.
i love capn jack too---- best character ever, seriously. whats not to love?!?!
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LOL - yes we can all cry over our computers - but I may be so disappointed I will not want to talk about it.....ARRRRGGGH It just doesn't make sense anymore. (Will and Liz, it's so past tense...)
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I agree with you.
I think the compass was REALLY pointing at Elizabeth though..because it pointed to her before too when he looked at it. If it suddenly works in those two moments then how could it have been broken throughout the entire movie? It was pointing to Liz the whole time IMO.
He would have gone back any way to save them all even without looking at the compass The fact that Liz is the first person he see's and protects clearly symbolizes what the compass was poining to just moments before.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Jul 27th, 2006 at 01:03 PM
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Also i find this very interesting. I just got my "Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl - Lost disc edition" DVD and on the "lost disc" there is a feature involving Johnny talking about his character.. I'll quote:
"To me, my favorite part, the most revealing part of Jack Sparrow is when he's on the island with Elizabeth and she's burnt all the rum. Jack Sparrow who's perversely a master of words and who is truly eloquent is reduced to "NO!" "Not good!" "STOP" "NOT GOOD!". Thats probably the most satisfying moment for me...the most REVEALING for the character"
So its as if Liz is the one who manages to see the real him.
Also that he clings onto material things for comfort..and when its gone his confidence seems to go.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Jul 27th, 2006 at 01:20 PM
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I personally think she's only in lust with him; everyone always wants what they know they can't have. Jack Sparrow is the embodiment of everything Elizabeth has always been denied. She truly loves Will, but Jack brings out the 'bad side' of her, excites her in ways Will doesn't. If you study the body language between Will and Elizabeth it's easy to see how in love they are, for real. Everything between Jack and Elizabeth is heady and exciting but it's not ever-lasting. I think that if we give Will a chance he may prove that he's pirate material through and through and add that to the fact that he absolutely adores Elizabeth, what more could she ask for? Given more time to accept who he truly is, Will should be able to prove that he is a combination of both outlandish pirateer material and honest, respectable husband material. Not a bad choice to make imo.
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I would disagree. That whole last scene was about him coming back for her..he cares about her alot. It was to save the others too but there is a bond between the two in this scene. I think that Jack see's Liz as more of an equal..She's different to him. Also read the hat theory...
Will in this movie seems to be going off of Liz a tad..he gets distracted a lot. He has changed his priorities around..it was more about his father in this one. Not Liz. But with Jack it was ALL about Liz at the end..he was there for her when Will wasn't. She depends on him and he's always there when she needs it most..(think back to the begining od PotC1)
Also read my post above^^ it suggests that Jack lets his gaurd down when Liz is around..which is something he hardly ever does with anyone..As a matter of fact..its ONLY her who he seems to let his gaurd slip with..he must trust her alot to allow her to see that part of him in the latest movie..
She seems to be the only one who can ever get to the core of who he really is..
Last edited by LovelyOne on Jul 27th, 2006 at 01:23 PM
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But it's not Liz who's brought him to a vocal standstill, it's the loss of the rum. She burned it but he's not fumbling his words because she makes him feel weak at the knees, it's because the rum has gone. She just happens to be the one who was there when he became vulnerable, not necessarily emotionally vulnerable either. Just an alcoholic who can't see a way to save the blessed rum.
i know i know, i am known around these parts for my extremely diverse conversation and eloquent statements... HAHAHAHA. sorry guys, thats about all i can say this morning!
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It is Liz..she beat him at his own game. He is usually the one who wins one over on people..especially women..but Liz..She just totally got him back..which makes her different. She has also seen that he is a man who clings onto possesions for comfort..but if you take them away..then his confidence dissapears. Which hints that he needs something more in life than just rum and his hat..(read the hat theory)
Liz totally wins one over on him at the end of this one too..and you can see how turned on and how even.."proud" of her he is in that scene He's smiling at her. She has just beat him at his own game..which makes her different to pretty much every other woman he has been with.
Also Jack has a deal of respect for Tia too..even though he slept with her he hasn't abandoned her, she didnt slap his face when she met him..It seems as if he has respect/more of a friendship with the woman who can show him a thing or two about himself...and Liz has just totally stepped it up to a higher level, more so than Tia.
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Liz is also showing signs in this movie that she's not one for a married and resticted life..She has changed alot since Will last saw her. He left her like a bird in a cage (prison/marriage to him) comes back and sees her as a bird that has broken free and embraced the life of freedom (pirate clothes, fighting)
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You know... you're really bringing me around to your way of thinking. I guess I just really appreciate the sweet, true love thing they've built between Will and Liz. But I can also see how Will could be the next Davy Jones, especially if he ends up falling for 'Calypso'/Tia
Boy I had to go back and read like 3 pages of stuff can you guys like tone it down while Im at work so I can keep up lol.
Anyway, in many studies in college I learned through reading stories and watching Film Noir that the average HOUSE woman does not want to be locked up and bound to her husband serving him the rest of her life. Most women would rather be FREE of this and be able to make their own choices through life. Most of us LONG to be like the person we admire if that person HAS what we want the most. Lets say for example, I have a friend who I admire A LOT because he can stand up for himself, he has been through college and done the programs I Wanted to be in. He is able to be who he really is without any regrets or without feeling put down by others. Without a care in the world about what others think.
Suddenly I found myself attracted to him I still WANT to be with him but he doesnt want to be with me. I want to be with him because he has everything that I want to accomplish.
I am comparing this to the way Liz feels about Jack, Jack has everything she wants like you guys said before. In that picture of Liz and Will kissing that is just her way of saying to herself "Do I really want to be locked up serving a husband the rest of my life?" Now when she kisses Jack like you guys said, He lets her have control. Most women would rather not be controlled and would rather have control themselves which is why she feels this way for him because he lets her have what she wants most.
Most of us want our happy little fairy tales to come true. We all want to be with the person who has everything that we want the most. We are attracted to the complete OPPOSITE (in personality) Because that is who we really want to be but we are afraid to sometimes.
Anyway thats better explaining why Liz is attracted to Jack that way and why the compass is always pointing at him. Even though Disney MAY NOT make them happen, they may just explain that the compass was pointing at Jack because Liz just wants everything that he has , His freedom his heroicness ect.
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Agreed^^
But Jack is showing signs that he wants more in life than just his hat or his rum or his pearl.
As Johnny said:
"To me, my favorite part, the most revealing part of Jack Sparrow is when he's on the island with Elizabeth and she's burnt all the rum. Jack Sparrow who's perversely a master of words and who is truly eloquent is reduced to "NO!" "Not good!" "STOP" "NOT GOOD!". Thats probably the most satisfying moment for me...the most REVEALING for the character"
Jack clings onto material things because he feels they make him what he is..they give him a sense of false confidence..But when you take them away he loses his confidence. This shows us that even though he portrays this fearless and confident character you take away one material thing and he loses the confident aura....The material possesions in his life are just not enough to make him feel whole..He needs something else..which brings my liz/hat theory into play again..
Its also like a wall he puts up..he deliberatly clings to material/inanimate objects as if they are the most important thing in the world to him because he is afraid to let anyone in and get close to him. But Liz is breaking through..and notice how he slowly lets go of material possesions such as the pearl.
"Jack sparrow does not know what he WANTS!" - Tia knows..he wants someone to get close, he wants to care for someone other than himself, thats why the compass wasn't showing him what he thought he wanted..which was a means to save his own skin. Along comes liz..Miss "hat" Miss answer to all his troubles..
Last edited by LovelyOne on Jul 27th, 2006 at 03:23 PM
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I some what think so yes.. but he has always had a tendancey to put other people before himself though even in the first movie..but never cared to admit it..he seems to have always been a caring person..but tries hard to pretend he's not.
He never lets anyone get close enough to the soft hearted man hidden behind the material objects which make him feel secure.
its kinda just a mask he wears..Liz helped him realise that the man underneath is brave even without the mask..he no longer needs it. He can let his material possesions go and start to care for people.. like her. He can let people in..and still be this brave, fearless man.
Last edited by LovelyOne on Jul 27th, 2006 at 03:40 PM
Yep I agree, all I can say is he is hot and if I was in the movie I would fight Liz for him lol Eh check out this picture I found its kinda funny Sorry being random right now lol.
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I dont know if Jack actually realises that his priorities are changing..even by the end of the second movie..its still not resolved..Its probably going to carry on into the next where he finally realises..
It ended on a cliff hanger..where the characters are still all confused as to what they truley want.
Liz: Jack or will, the pirate life or the boring life?
Jack: material possesions or Liz?, to pretend to still not care or to let someone in?
Will: Liz or his father? Pirate or good man?
Last edited by LovelyOne on Jul 27th, 2006 at 03:58 PM
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The fact that Liz is the first person he see's and protects clearly symbolizes what the compass was poining to just moments before.
Eh check out this picture I found its kinda funny 
