Yet you still continue to debate them....help me wrap my mind around that one? (I'm expecting a snotty response from you for the 2nd half of the sentence, sad ain't it?)
[QUOTE=7144943]Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar That's a blantant lie, the structural designer himself said the towers could survive the force of a plane, and let's not forgetboth FEMA And NSIT have concluded a plane was not enough to bring the buildings down. let's not forget also The Twin Towers exploded into dust and shattered steel, and you claim a plane did that?
LMAO. You have to mental capacity of a lemon. Did the structural engineer build a full scale model and crash a plane into it? No, he did not. His statement was based on paper calculations. As any educated person knows, paper calculations do not always translate to fact in the real world. Therefore, the structural designer could not have stated as irrefutable fact that the towers would survive an explosive strike from a 767.
Yes, moron, both FEMA and the NIST stated that the plane strike could not have singularly brought down the towers, but the plane strike, weakening key supports, and the fires that ensued, further weakening the support structure, brought the towers down.
It's laughable that every source that refutes your claims mentions both the plane strike and fire as causes for the collapse, yet you are constantly mentioning things like "a plane could not have brought down the towers" and "no skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire." No expert has ever said that either event singularly caused the collapsed, but both of them together.
The towers did not explode into dust and shattered steel. The force of the floors falling created the dust clouds as the buildings fell in on themselves. Any conspiracy theorist will agree with that assessment. You see the same thing during any demolition, and the dust clouds have nothing to due with the detonators exploding. When you have millions of pounds of pressure localized on a point, physics says it's going to give. Whether or not you believe in a controlled demolition or the collapse due to the plane strike and fire, any educated person would not argue the way the buildings fell.
Now shut the hell up and let your friends Parker and David do the talking. At least they will address the whole statement instead of selectively reading.
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And you have your head up your ass, NIST, completely ignore the 47 steel columns that were still standing, they also offer no explanation as to WHY the building fell, instead they tell you a damage report (Alluding the 47 columns).
We've been saying that for how long?
Oh, BTW moron, If key supporters were destroyed, why did the sttel columns that support the core remain?
These accounts don't explain WTC 7, and of course I already listed what was wrong with the official story. learn to read
Actually, they did shatter into dust, every tape show's this, but I guess your too dumb to see.
LOL, constanly repeating something is a waste of time. I dunno how many times we've repeated the same arguments, lets not forget the smoking the 200 plus smoking guns that neitther of you have responded to, waste of my time.
The NIST report is what you is what you are saying contradicts my information from firemen on the scene. I am quoting verbatim was is in that report. You'll use it to refute my claims but deny it when it disagrees with you?
Show a picture with 47 core columns still standing at least 10 stories above ground level.
We're not talking about WTC 7. That will come later. Now you're discounting my evidence that you're wrong by moving to a completely different subject? Good job.
What shattered into dust? You see a huge dust cloud. I know you're reaching when you look at that video and say you can see steel girders crumbling into dust.
I'm presenting the information that refutes the 200 smoking guns. We're concentrating on one aspect at a time. If your ADD can't stay focused get your friend to discuss for you. You obviously don't have the mental capacity to participate in this discussion. Please, again, let Parker and David post for you. They are much more credible than you are in this discussion.
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I have no idea what you were saying, could you repeat that again?
I'll PM you one when I find it.
Actually, I was stating a point, how that's going off topic to you is beyond me since I'm obviously still talking about 9/11. Also, I reminded you that I explained why these causes even combined were not enogh, but to be fair let me explain them again.
Jet fuel was the main cause of the fire, but there is a problem. Jet Fuel burns too quickly and would have been extinguished in a half an hour or less. One plane full of jet fuel hit the north tower at 8:45 a.m., and the fuel fire burned for a while with bright flames and black smoke. Then by 9:03 a.m. the flame was mostly gone and only black smoke continued to pour from the building. that would indicate that the first fire had died down, but something was still burning inefficiently, leaving soot (carbon) in the smoke. A fire with sooty smoke is either low temperature or starved for oxygen or maybe both.But by 10:29 a.m., the fire in north tower had accomplished the feat that I find so amazing: It melted the steel supports in the building, causing a chain reaction within the structure that brought the building to the ground try not to think about that. Amazing petroleum fire burning for 104 minutes, just getting hotter and hotter until it reached 1538 degrees Celsius (2800 Fahrenheit) and melted the steel I try not to wonder how the fire reached temperatures that only bottled oxygen or forced air can produce.
I wonder How all the steel that was in that building (200,000 tons of it, BTW) melted to the point, pools of molten metal ( Not all of it,but a significant amount) were being found by workers. the magical fire burned for 104 minutes in the north tower, gradually heating the 200,000 tons of steel supports like a blacksmith's forge, with the heat flowing throughout the skeleton of the tower? If the collapse was due to heated steel, the experts should be able to tell us how many thousands of tons of steel were heated to melting temperature in 104 minutes and how much fuel would be required to produce that much heat. Can a single Boeing 767 carry that much fuel?
Oh and by the way, the south tower was not hit directly.
If you don't see them then your blind, somehow you concluded that it was dust from the collapse? Despite the fact we see debris being ejected from the buildings and of course the "Cat tail Effect"
None of your information refutes any of the smoking guns.
the NIST, never gave a solid reason as to why the tower fell plus they completely ignored the 47 steel columns located at the towers very core.
Don't belive me,quote any mention of these columns in the report.
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He must be confusing you with me.Because I said a few times he's not worth my time anymore simply because you give him the names of firemen people just like he asks for,you give him the 200 smoking guns that he asks for just like you did,you give him the names of all these people that are credible government sources and he still chooses to live in denial about it.I said a while back him and LMM are not worth my time anymore and actually so did David because they dont even bother to address points that you bring up.They didnt even bother to touch on several great points david brought up,why bother with them? they are clueless about how government works and ignore points you bring up so why bother with them?
Ashtar you've proven them wrong countless of times.You've given them the 200 smoking guns they asked for and proved them wrong on that as you just did now when you just took them to school.sheep like them are too afraid of the truth and dont want to hear it so they will blindly defend the absurdities of the official version to no end.They are not worth the time or effort.Like you said,none of his information refutes the smoking guns,they ignored several great points David brought up.Never bothered to address any of them.If they are just going to ignore points and say the sources where you got the information are not credible even though it comes from the the major media sources they blindly worship,why bother with them? you know as well as i do that THEY are the two that dont have the mental capacity to participate in this discussion.Thats why they ignored all the points david brought up and thats why he left because they never bothered to address them.
This LMM guy is a total hypocrite.He accuses you of doing selective reading yet in my posts that I brought up,like i said earlier,him and his buddy Darth only choose PARTS of my posts to address,they didnt even bother to touch on some key points I brought up.Plus they ignored COMPLETELY Davids posts that totally tears apart the official version.talk about selective reading. and talk about being a hypocrite as well.
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Kinda like how you two guys only choose to seletively read parts of my posts and dont bother to address other parts. and kinda like how you two guys never even bothered to touch any of davids great points he brought up that tears apart the official version. No you two should stop posting because we give you the names of all these people and you ignore them,as i said,stop believeing the official lies of the government and START listening to alex jones and other truth websites devoted to 9-11 such as 911lies.org. again the guy that designed the building is LEE ROBERTSON ,NOT this yamasaki guy and he is on record saying they were designed to take a hit from a jetliner.You know how much he could get sued for libel by so many people if Robertson was not the official lead designer of it?obviously not. dude,newsflash for you,this whole 9-11 investigation story the government is telling you,is government lies, your just afraid of the truth and dont want to believe it.for every so called evidence you like to bring up,you havent been been able to prove.as I just told Ashtar,you guys are not worth my time because you just choose to selectively read PARTS of my posts and dont address others,you two never even touched on dozens of great points that David brought up that disproves the official version,thats why he left because you guys ignored them.so quit while you can dude.
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No just unlike you,I have done a lot of research on the Bushs over the years to know that the Bush family is a criminal family.Your ignorance on the Bush family speaks volumes about your credibility which is why I am done wasting my time with you.Hint for you,stop being so afraid of the truth,go to a library and look on the shelves for a book about George Bush and stop listenting to the what the government school systems brainwash you into believeing in american history.the american school system only tells you what they want you to hear and believe.They do a great job of brainwashing people with lies on what really has happened over decades with presidents and hiding their criminal activites. maybe someday when you spend enough time at a libray instead of the public school system,you'll learn that.
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Oh, guess it wasn't Ashtar, confused him with Tsarion, and your a seperate case, and you still continue to debate despite saying "You sheep are not worth my time"
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When you constantly ignore points, like when I proved to you that the north american union allowed from open borders you ignored it, you deseverve to be called a sheep.
Do you have any proof that he is? No you don't, I gave you a credible source saying that Yamasaki did, LESLIE Robertson was the Chief Engineer for building it. It's kindive ahrd to address your paragraphs, because the grammer is so poor and impossible to tear apart. I bet he never said he was the Designer, but your Alex Jones took a part of the actual interview and used it as evidence, as he did with other interviews.
I'm sorry I don't have the time to type out pages upon pages of debunking, when your response will be "LOLZ You and your Government Lies, get out of that fantasy world" what would be the point? Again, I do not live to debunk you people, there's no point, you think EVERYTHING has to do with Conspiracys
I don't trust Public Schools at all, the teachers are biased, and want to indoctrinate children into protesting. You have a wrong view of the Schools, they arn't following the orders of their Government Overlords who seek to brainwash the students into Bloodthirsty Soldiers for which to do research on If this was really true, Teachers would show this to their students to undermind the administration
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BTW, Final NIST 9-11 report “does not actually include the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached.” (NIST, 2005, p. 80, fn. 1; )
Again, why are we closing our border to Mexico then? YOU never answered that, when I do respond to your thousands of pieces of "Evidence" you never respond. You have the wrong view of what a Union is
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