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like how you posted all your news sources, and I posted the toronto star in response to a particular smoking gun. debate the guns, and I'll use the necessary sources.
And we posted FEMA and NIST, but it wasn't credible to you, somehow.
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What does that have to do with anything? The NIST set out to show what caused the collapse, not what happened during the collapse. When the conditions for collapse were reached, the buildings collapsed. Are you going to attempt to refute that logic too?
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Maybe you don't understand english, so,I will simplify it for you. they don't know what caused the structure to fall, or any specifics on why it fell. instead they just explained what was damaged, and what could be the culpurit. they have NO knowledge of the structural behavior during the fall or the moments before it, and the Structural Engineer himself said the tower shouldn't have fell. So, by your logic, The NIST, somehow knows more than the structual Engineer, despite admitting they did not understand the behavior of the structure.
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I still have not seen any evidence that the lead structural engineer being quoted as unequivocally stating the towers should not have fallen, nor expressing any suspicion that the towers were brought down by forces other than an explosive airline strike and the ensuing fire.
You keep referencing him, but no links to a full interview. Post the complete interview, not the 10 second clip where he says the towers shouldn't have collapsed.
This is much like the firefighter quotes you guys produced, yet the full quotes show no suspicion in their words. I like how you failed to address that one.
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I'm not posting crap, We've posted: a wealth of information, 200 smoking guns,Quotes from news articles, and the news articles themselves. we've put up with this for too long, it's not like my computer has something yours doesn't which disables you from looking up an interview from the man. despite posting almost everyhting you've asked for, you continue to ask for more without giving anything in return, not even acknowledging the 200 plus smoking guns david posted. Like I said refute the guns and we can continue.
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Was it supposed to, the point of the fire fighters testimony was to prove they heard multiple explosions. the fact there is no suspicion implied,proves their testimony is sin sear.
This makes me laugh so hard! This is so typical of a discussion with conspiracy theorist. You don't discuss in good faith.
What is available online is the 10 second clip of the engineer saying he doesn't understand why the towers fell. The whole interview is not available online. Yet you keep running back to that ten second clip.
Refute the 200 smoking guns. Refute the 200 smoking guns. Says to me that you have no clue what is even contain in the 200 smoking guns. If you've researched anything, you should be able to produce complete information backing up your claims without continuing to reference the 200 smoking guns. You have refused to provide anything backing up your statements other than partial quotes. What are you afraid of? Allow this information to show the true context.
I'll tell you what. Prove or disprove the existence of God and we can continue.
And any firefighter in the world will tell you that any large fire in a building will produce small explosions within the fire. Does that mean every single fire in which a firefighter says he heard explosions is the work of bombs placed in the building? Not one firefighter said he thought that the explosions were caused by bombs.
Once again you're bastardizing the truth to fit your argument.
Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories
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Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories
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“[T]here was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”--Firefighter Richard Banaciski
“I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?”--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory
“[I]t was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."--Paramedic Daniel Rivera
The above quotations come from a collection of 9/11 oral histories that, although recorded by the Fire Department of New York (FDNY) at the end of 2001, were publicly released only on August 12, 2005. Prior to that date, very few Americans knew the content of these accounts or even the fact that they existed.
Why have we not known about them until recently? Part of the answer is that the city of New York would not release them until it was forced to do so. Early in 2002, the New York Times requested copies under the freedom of information act, but Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s administration refused. So the Times, joined by several families of 9/11 victims, filed suit. After a long process, the city was finally ordered by the New York Court of Appeals to release the records (with some exceptions and redactions allowed). Included were oral histories, in interview form, provided by 503 firefighters and medical workers.1 (Emergency Medical Services had become a division within the Fire Department.2) The Times then made these oral histories publicly available.3
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I really think Parker and David need to distance themselves from you two. They're promoting research, and it's plain to see that neither you or Ashtar have done any research whatsoever. Earlier in this thread I posted the complete quotes of those firefighters, yet you're still using the one line that you want to back up your claims.
It's plain to see that you ignore any evidence that may refute you, and continue to throw out statements that have already been debunked.
i have done research, im merely providing new links. you only THINK they have been debunked because that is what you want to believe..see? it doesnt change anything
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He is so totally living in denial.Not only is he living in denial on that but he is also living in denial about the witnesses as well.Countless of them said they thought it was bombs besides the witnesses that were there. its amazing the lengths they will go to defend the fairy tale 9-11 report because of how afraid they are of the truth.
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Something else that is very interesting about the collapse of the buildings is that survivors have said that prior to 9-11,several times in the prior weeks leading up to it,there were evacuation drills going on where they cleared all the employees from the buildings.that would have been a perfect time to have planted the explosives.Jim marrs the author of crossfire whos book totally shreds the warren commission to pieces pointing out the lies and giving evidence that it was an inside job by our own government as well on that,says in his book INSIDE JOB which is about 9-11 and didnt get published till 2004 because it was suppressed from being published in 2002 by the way,says he doesnt believe the theorys that the bombs were planted in the beginning when it was constructed and I now dont either because a good point he made was that the bombs would have been useless by then.so a more likely scenario is that they were planted weeks prior to 9-11 during the evacuations drills they conducted.
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like how you posted all your news sources, and I posted the toronto star in response to a particular smoking gun. debate the guns, and I'll use the necessary sources.
Aug 16th, 2006 06:56 PM
its amazing the lengths they will go to defend the fairy tale 9-11 report because of how afraid they are of the truth. 
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