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Originally posted by Deano
the CIA was created by Nazis, for Nazis.

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Originally posted by Deano
i'll let you walk on your own to feet for once

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Originally posted by Deano
Ground breaking documentary work and life changing stories that reveal the truth of what the CIA does to promote its budgets and increase its influence globally. Few people will ever learn the dangers and illegal powers that this organization has over the honest and democratic ideals of life in America. The CIA must be exposed and democracy brought to this organization or its abuses will continue to grow and put our country in more danger.

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/secrets-of-the-cia

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Originally posted by KidRock
I think you mean 'two'. Anyway, good job just making yourself look stupid by pulling a random (and very idiotic) comment out of your ass.

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And it says the CIA was founded by Nazi's for Nazi's...where?

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Originally posted by Mr Parker
Yeah they make the third reich look like a bunch of choir boys.

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Originally posted by Mr Parker
this coming from a guy who believes that fairy tale that Osama Bin Laden was behind 9-11 and calls DEANO an idiot? okay

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Originally posted by Mr Parker
Not my fault if you want to live in denial on that because you havent done your homework.Good bye.Im done with you.Lord Xyz is right about you.

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Originally posted by Mr Parker
I guess you missed my earlier post to Fishy where I told him because he was the only one that came on and posted on this thread who didnt sprout off insane ramblings who disagreed with me and deano and had actually made reasonable points with merit behind them,that unlike people like Beowolf I could respect him and his views.His posts have sound reasoning behind them so I told him to pm me so we could discuss it.and thats just the thing,they HAVENT disproved it.

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Originally posted by Mr Parker
this coming from a guy who believes that fairy tale that Osama Bin Laden was behind 9-11 and calls DEANO an idiot? okay

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Originally posted by Deano
http://www.rense.com/general74/try.htm

911 - One Picture Worth
A Thousand Words...
Try These

I got an email the other day from someone whose father worked on Operation Aphrodite. Never heard of it? Neither had I.

In 1944, Operation Aphrodite was designed by the US Army to use remote control warplanes to target Nazi strategic sites in Europe. This was 57 years before remote control planes--drones--targeted the Twin Towers and Pentagon.

Initially, I was skeptical of passenger planes being switched for drones but an unusual 9-11 photograph appeared at Alex Jones' website, www.prisonplanet.com. Undoubtedly, millions have seen this photograph before, taken from a distance, split seconds before Flight 175 strikes the South Tower. Here is the entire, panoramic photograph, showing the south Manhattan skyline, taken from several blocks away.(1)

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On a whim I decided to enlarge the plane in the picture. You can also do this at home using your computer, but I did it for you. I enlarged the plane 300%. What I saw surprised me.

The sunlight from that clear, late summer day shines along the entire fuselage. And there, readily apparent, are the telltale bulges Jon Carlson has been writing about for years. Almost as if the fuselage had become impregnated with a pair of torpedos.

And here is the enlargement, showing just the plane. You can even see the encircling bands around the tubes. Hardly an optical illusion. (2)

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Very likely, this was an image that should have never been seen by the public. The remote control plane--see Operation Aphrodite---curved up from the south. But by chance someone snapped this amazing photograph, a split second before impact, the plane clear as day.

The next photograph I studied shows the eruption of Mount Saint Manhattan. What? You didn't know an undiscovered, active volcano existed exactly beneath the twin towers? Neither did anyone else. But how to explain a pair of obvious eruptions?

Does any structural engineer in the America honestly believe that "pancaking" caused the pyroclastic effect of an erupting skyscraper seen here? (3)

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Recall that this eruption of dust and debris initiated within one to two seconds. Three seconds into the collapse, the towers were spewing debris more than 200 feet outwards. Please explain to me how landslides along the California coastline can genrate a fraction of the dust, while sending ten times the amount of weight falling hundreds of feet?

I would be ashamed to call myself an engineer or architect if I agreed to such a bogus "pancake" theory.

Study this excellent photograph of a pyroclastic flow. That is the hot gases and dust sweeping along the slopes of the volcano. The exact same blast effect survivors testified swept through Manhattan. A tsunami of hot dust particles generated by a terrific blast of pressure. A pyroclastic flow. Notice the blast of pressure sending clouds upwards in both eruptions. (4)

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Not convinced?

Lastly we arrive at the residue of the toxic eruptions. The heat generated melted steel. Hard to melt steel with a ninety minute fuel fire. Weakened steel, perhaps; melted steel, never. Ample testimony to the molten steel found in the sub structure of the WTC exists. Many eye witnesses, too many to dismiss, saw it.

NIST attempts to explain away the molten steel as cascading aluminum from the melted wreckage of the airplane. If aluminum had descended from 800 feet, would it not cool and perhaps solidify as it fell? Aluminum radiates heat quickly and would hardly remain in a molten state weeks later.

Once again, If I were an architect or engineer, I would be ashamed at the slipshod conclusions from NIST, ASCE and FEMA. More like a team of royal alchemists from the Middle Ages, rather than an independent team of 21st century architects and engineers, experimented with fire and then resorted to guesswork to deny the obvious. A controlled demolition brought those buildings down.

Postcript: Seems those engineers are still in denial, still unable to grasp the structural failure of stoutly built skyscrapers. In a recent issue of Engineering News Record ASCE spokesman, W. Gene Corley concluded that "for the life safety of those who may be trapped in the building and of those who must fight these fires, the design objective should be that no collapse occurs with a burnout...the experience after the 9/11 attack...proved a building can collapse as a result of fire."

Not necessarily.

Fellow engineer, Lawrence G. Griffis remarked: "Jon Magnusson said it very well on Peter Jennings' national ABC television news broadcast on 9/11, "The question is not why those buildings fell down but why they stood up (for so long). If you want to stop those types of building collapses, let's not indict the design process, let's stop airplanes from flying into buildings."

But architect and WTC construction manager, Frank DeMartini, engineers John Skilling and Leslie Robertson declared that the WTC twin towers were indeed designed to withstand the impact of 707-757s and the subsequent fires.

According to Demartini, "The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting." Martini was killed when the towers collapsed.

In the same column, Lawrence G. Griffis, president of the structures division in the Austin, Texas, office of Walter P. Moore and Associates Inc., stated: "The buildings in the World Trade Center collapsed because of a malicious terrorist attack. Everything that followed was a result of that attack...Of more importance to the fire protection community, however, were the collapses of buildings WTC 5 and 7. These two buildings collapsed during burnout from fire even though there was no evidence found that the collapsed areas had been seriously damaged by impact of debris."

Adjacent to these learned comments was a photo captioned: "A FIRST: Five and Seven WTC collapsed before burnout." Neither building had been struck---"attacked"--- by airplanes. None of the engineers dared explain how the collapse actually happened. Nor touched on the incriminating evidence found in the basement, the molten steel, or the enormous pyroclastic flows, or the videotape of a classic controlled demolition, especially in WTC-7.

Pathetic.

USAF veteran and private investigator of public crimes, Douglas Herman writes for Rense regularly.

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Ronald Greeley, director of the Space Photography Laboratory at Arizona State University. Greeley is an expert at analyzing images to determine the shape and features of geological formations based on shadow and light effects. After studying the high-resolution image and comparing it to photos of a Boeing 767-200ER's undercarriage, Greeley dismissed the notion that the Howard photo reveals a "pod." In fact, the photo reveals only the Boeing's right fairing, a pronounced bulge that contains the landing gear. He concludes that sunlight glinting off the fairing gave it an exaggerated look. "Such a glint causes a blossoming (enlargement) on film," he writes in an e-mail to PM, "which tends to be amplified in digital versions of images--the pixels are saturated and tend to 'spill over' to adjacent pixels." When asked about pods attached to civilian aircraft, Fred E. Culick, professor of aeronautics at the California Institute of Technology, gave a blunter response: "That's bull. They're really stretching."

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But architect and WTC construction manager, Frank DeMartini, engineers John Skilling and Leslie Robertson declared that the WTC twin towers were indeed designed to withstand the impact of 707-757s and the subsequent fires.

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Originally posted by JacopeX
And, that "Guy" is right.......The goverment was not responsible for 9/11!