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Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
My comments were meant for Parker....he loves this guy

Again answer this, has a 767 ever hit a Skyscraper such as the Twin Towers at full speed, and intentionally? They would not know. Structural Engineers are on both sides, the majority against your claims I would bet

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Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Answer my damned question! Has one ever hit before that incident? How the hell would they know that?

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At 9:50 am on Saturday July 28, 1945, impossibility became a reality. A B-25 “Billy Mitchell” bomber belonging to the US Army Air Corps crashed into the Empire State Building. The plane was enroute to the Newark Airport located in New Jersey when it struck the 102-story structure. The odds against such an incident ever happening were computed as being 10,000 to 1. But weather flying conditions at the time helped contribute to the incident.
Lt. Col. William F. Smith a 27-year-old West Point Graduate was piloting the plane at the time of the incident. He was a combat veteran and had flown for two years over the skies of Europe. During his time in Europe he had amassed over a thousand hours flying time. For the hours he had flown Col. Smith was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal and the Croix de Guerre for his wartime service in the European theater.


This flight originated in New Bedford, Mass and attempts to land at LaGuardia airport were unsuccessful due to the dense fog that had socked in the area. The plane then turned and headed for Newark airport. LaGuardia tower told Col. Smith that the ceiling was near zero and visibility forward would be limited to three miles. The air traffic controller also added that because of the conditions the top of the Empire State Building was not visible.

People walking on the streets below at approximately 9:48 am looked up and briefly caught a glimpse of the bomber flying through the clouds as it just missed the Rockefeller center. Eyewitness accounts say the plane was flying about 500 feet when the near miss occurred. The plane then banked sharply up and disappeared into the fog.

No one knows for sure, but investigators believe that Col. Smith looked down through a break in the cloud cover and saw a curved river and thought it to be the East River, when in fact it was the Hudson. Seeing this curve it is believed that he then descended for his approach at Newark airport. It is believed that the planes speed at this time was 225 mph. Within seconds the plane was closing rapidly on the Empire State Building. Col. Smith attempted to veer away from the structure but his proximity to the building would not allow for such an evasive maneuver. The plane impacted the78th and 79th floors on the towers north end. The impact of the plane created an 18 x 20 foot hole in the side of the tower. This crash caused extensive damage to the masonry exterior and the interior steel structure of the building. The 102-foot building was rocked by the impact. Many people who were in the street at the time saw flames shooting from the point of impact, which was at the 913-foot level. The impact was heard as far as two miles away. Flames and dense smoke obscured the top of the structure. Later on a wing was found on Madison Avenue, one block away.


Nearby buildings were damaged by fragments of the impact and one of the planes engines was found on the South side of the building in the top of a twelve story building. The engine had flown over thirty-third St. and had crashed through a skylight in a penthouse. The engine started a $78,000.00 fire in the studio of sculptor Henry Hering. Hotel magnet Vincent Astor owned this 12-story building.
The other engine hit the door leading into an elevator shaft and fell 80 stories. While falling the engine cut the cables on many of the elevators. A woman riding one of these elevators was sent plummeting downward, but the elevator braking system prevented a basement crash, instead the top of the elevator was crush an she was trapped in total darkness.
The fuselage of the plane disintegrated into the 78th and 79th floor killing all four onboard the B-25, as well as killing or injuring everyone working in the War Relief Services and National Catholic Welfare Conference offices. Those who perished were either killed by the flying metal or by the raging inferno that followed.

One body was found on a 72nd story ledge, but was burned beyond recognition. Only 14 people would perish in this incident and another 25 would suffer severe wounds. In the streets people were frozen in terror as they watched the events unfold. Arriving fire companies proceeded up into the building using the remaining working elevators and began to attack the blaze. Water and gasoline poured out of the gapping hole and ran down the exterior of the building.
Soon fire companies got the blaze under control and were able to extinguish it without any further calamities occurring. It took the FDNY 4 alarms to bring this situation under control.

The woman in the elevator was saved when a man named Donald Maloney who had been passing by witnessed the accident ran into a drugstore. There he demanded hypodermic needles as well as drugs and other medical supplies, he then raced into the damaged building to help. Mr. Maloney was a former hospital apprentice in the US Coast Guard. Once inside he found rescuers who had forced an opening into the crushed elevator. Mr. Maloney then lowered himself into the crushed elevator and removed the unconscious woman, upon extricating her he administered morphine to her and she was then rushed to the hospital Mr. Maloney’s actions saved the woman’s

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Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
I meant something the size of a 767.....and intentionally at full speed......

The fact that this never happened before means what they said is irrelevent, they would not know for sure if this would happen or not.

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Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Yes, B-52's are gigantic, but that was a B-25, read your own damn link, and nothing on this scale has ever happened, they could not give a for-sure answer

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Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Not nearly on the size or Force, and it wasn't intentional or at Full Speed

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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Okay, I just gave you a link showing a plane, yet it's not enough. Obviously a plane has hit a building before and it did not fall, so why WTC?

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Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Because the conditions where different, the Towers where not properly fireproofed, nor even constucted properly, corners where cut to save money...

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Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
http://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...se/1227842.html
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We assembled a team of reporters and researchers, including professional fact checkers and the editors of PM, and methodically analyzed all 16 conspiracy claims. We interviewed scores of engineers, aviation experts, military officials, eyewitnesses and members of the investigative teams who have held the wreckage of the attacks in their own hands. We pored over photography, maps, blueprints, aviation logs and transcripts. In every single instance, we found that the facts used by the conspiracy theorists to support their fantasies were mistaken, misunderstood, or deliberately falsified.

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Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Really? Or do you just dismiss it because it debunks your crap

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Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
Your "Smoking Guns" are Elaborations on the same thing, certain people being fired, killed, arrested, this person did this, so did these 5 other people, and your "evidence" is about the same thing as this

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Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
The Smoking Guns were what you posted in the earlier parts of the thread yes? If that is the case, then you mentioned these people not being in building (Bush's cousin I believe?), FBI agents/"Experts" being threatened with being arrested, several "Experts" being fired? Government Operations that never took place?

I was assuming that was what you meant?