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Are those the Smoking Guns you meant or not?

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Are those the Smoking Guns you meant or not?


David Tsarion posted them, quote them and refute them.


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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
It's sad, the greatest travesty in this world is dependence. you depend on these experts to tell you what happen. So, basically whatever they tell you, You accept as fact? why not learno to think for yourself, that's what people like alex jones,david icke, jordan maxwell, and other so called "Nuts" preach.




Do you know how polls and statistics work?



It's sad, you are a sheep, the towers were ment to take Hurrican force winds. unless your arguing a plane has that much force, and why would the building pancake if the plane was the cause, are you aware NSIT and FEMA have both said the plane was not the cause, but fire?

Now, how does fire started by jet fuel melt carbon steel, with fire retardent spray supported by 47 steel columns give way, how do you explain the fact fire has never ever caused a steel building to fall in the history of man-kind?

Or the building free falling with no resistance from 47 STEEL COLUMNS?

You haven't read all 200 points yet, they are follish. that makes you a sheep?

Do you even know the official story?
yep whatever they tell him,he accepts as fact and unlike jones,icke or and richard scholnick doesnt want to think for himself.yep yeah apparently he is not aware that FEMA and NSIT have both said it was the fire that caused it to collapse not the plane. roll eyes (sarcastic) Jones was talking yesterday about sheep like him that dont want to look into the truth and just accept the governments version. big grin as I said,the REAL designer of the trade center is Lee Robertson and he is on tape saying it was designed to take a hit from a jet and not collapse like that.I will take the word over the desinger of the building any day of the year over some NET sheep poster who swallows the garbage and lies from the governement.


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Originally posted by LMM
LOL. You conspiracy theorists are so ineffectual it doesn't matter what lunatic ideas you have, you'll never have any influence over the masses.

BTW, I love the links to prison planet and other conspiracy as legitimate sources, when all they do is link to other conspiracy sites as sources.

Keep on with your bad selves. Good laughs are needed in this world.


the ONLY conspiracy theoists who are ineffectual are Bush,cheney and other government officials.they are also the REAL terrorists.something else I forgot to mention is that you can see a film of the a helicopter being blown backwards near the towers when the towers collapse.experts have said that there is no way that the helicopter should have blown backwards like that just from the buildings collapsing,however the after shock waves from explosives they have said WOULD be consistant with the copter blowing backwards.plus there are witnesses there who said that they were like thrown so far away from the builidngs collapse when it happened which experts ALSO say is inconsistant for a building collapsing,some of the witnesses who went to the hospital for treatment of burns they received,they said they wound up a block away from the towers when it collapsed which again experts have said is impossible to happen from a tower collapsing,however with explosives going off,that would be logical for that to happen.These two sheep though dont want to look into that evidence though and admit that though.also,firemen ARE on record saying in their transmissions-Theres an explosion going off,theres another explosion,ect ect.and yet we are expected to believe some NET POSTER who "CLAIMS" he knows all firemen and police and new york and none of them are saying they have been given death threats.wow the ignorance amazes me,like even if they actually were telling the truth about that and from their ignorance on the governments explanation I seriously dounbt it,they dont seem to have comprehended that the firemen wouldnt be honest with them in the first place even if they actually do know these firemen like they so claim.their laughs with their absurd logic are amusing. laughing yeah we need laughs in this world,keep up your hilarious spoofs. laughing


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Originally posted by LMM
I have firsthand accounts of what happened in those buildings on September 11. These are people that speak with regularly. People I have known for many years. People I trust. People that I know have nothing to gain by lying.

Can you provide these types of sources?

No, everything you can produce are third and four hand reports and interviews where 10 second sound bites are extracted from a 30 minute video.



This is a perfect example of how brainwashed you are. I've researched all of the conspiracy theory claims simply because they seemed plausible. You assholes don't consider anything outside of your beliefs plausible. Ask any educated sane person which is more plausible, a group of Arab terrorists hijacking planes or a worldwide government conspiracy to control the entire population of the world. I know what the answer would be.

That's not being brainwashed, it's being intelligent.


yeah yeah,same old blah blah blah,your hilairious that you expect me to believe a NET poster I have never known in my life to believe you when your so ignorant about government and the Bush family? not going to happen kid.I have done lots of research over the years about the bush family so I now how evil and corrupted they are. laughing I have provided you with many sources that you continue to ignore,you dont want to hear the truth. roll eyes (sarcastic) so its a waste of time with you.no thats YOU who dont consider anything outside of your beliefs and have been brainwashed.any SANE person who knows something about government-something you obviously dont will agree with us,obviously you are not aware thet FDR let the japenese attack pearl harbour,that he wanted it to happen.thats been all over the history channel the last several years.thats all documented.half the country doesnt believe the official report because they know about how the government lies all the time to people,something you are extremely ignorant about.Being brainwahsed is not believeing what jones says, roll eyes (sarcastic) he has all the information to back up his claims.He even encourages people not to take his word for it,to do their own investigating. I also said that jones is not the ONLy source I have,that there are other 9-11 truth movements out there on the net I look at and that my last post wasnt from jones site,it was from another 9-11 truth movement site,you dont want to know the truth and you ignore it when I provide sources so again your not worth wasting my time with since you dont listen.


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Originally posted by Darth Kreiger
People that think there's a Conspiracy around this really make me sick, do not blame our own Government for this, it was a bunch of Middle Eastern Terrorists, end of story


people like you who ignore facts and are afraid of the truth and who swallow that garbage that it was a bunch middle eastern terrorists make me sick.You and LMM do a disservice to your friends who were lost in that tragedy by being afraid of the truth. roll eyes (sarcastic)again it was an inside job by our government,period.end of story.


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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar


its funny,you go on to give him the names of the firefighters that he asks for and he STILL lives in denial about it.pathetic.just ignore darth and LMM,their not worth the effort anymore.


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Originally posted by VanillaCocaCola
The government knew it was going to happen, and did nothing. They used it like the adminstriation in '40 used Pearl Harbor to enter WWII, to rally Public Opinion.


Yeah thats what I pointed out earlier about pearl harbour.On how FDR knew the japenese were going to attack us and allowed it to happen to rally public opinion.same thing is happening here with George Bush.Yet you point this out and people like these two fools still live in denial about it.how pitiful.


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Originally posted by David Tsarion
COVER-UP

9/11 - Ari Fleischer claims that Bush received no warnings about the attacks (White House), May '02 - Fleischer confirms that Bush was told by CIA a month before attacks about possibility of OBL terrorists hijacking planes in the US. (SF Gate)

President Bush (White House)
Gen. Richard Myers (DoD) Condoleezza Rice (CBS) Sect. Mineta and some NORAD officials all deny anybody was aware of the idea that terrorists would use airplanes as weapons (Seattle Post), 1999 - NORAD conducted exercises simulating hijacked airliners used as weapons. (USA Today)

Sept 22 - 'Airline Transportation Stabilization Act' becomes law which if 9/11 victim's families except, they can't sue airlines or US gov't for any reason. (Guardian, LA Times)

Sept 26 - Mayor Rudolph Giuliani bans all video and photography at Ground Zero. (Boston Globe)

Nov '01 - Bush signs Executive Order 13233 which limits public access to presidential records. (Boston Globe, NS Archives) Mar '03 - Bush signs Executive Order 13292 allowing for a broad range of documents to be kept secret for up to 25 years and gives classification powers to the Vice President. (Boston Globe, National Review) The number of documents classified by the Bush administration increased by over 50 percent since 2001 (Boston Globe) and they have classified more records in their first 2 years than President Clinton's last four years. (US News) Ex-Nixon legal aide says Bush Admin is the most secretive ever. (Telegraph)

Jan '02 - Steel from the WTC is shipped to China and India for recycling which has angered investigators, engineers and victim's families who say the steel could hold vital clues about why the towers collapsed and GPS trackers were installed on trucks hauling the 'highly sensitive' steel scraps away to be melted. (USA Today, China.org, ACSS)

Jan '02 - Fire Engineering says official WTC investigation is a 'half-baked farce' that may already have been 'commandeered by political forces' whose primary interests lie 'far afield of full disclosure.' (Fire Engineering)

March '02 - Pentagon security photos of crash are released, but Pentagon says gov't didn't 'officially' release them. (Washington Post)

May '02 - Bush Administration oppose a 9/11 investigation. (CBS)

June '02 - Records of 9/11 response not for public, New York City says. (NY Times)

Sept '02 - American Airlines continues to gag all employees from talking about Sept 11 hijackings. (WorldNetDaily)

Sept '02 - Bush admin denies lawmakers investigating 9/11 permission to reveal whether the president or White House staff received warning of potential terrorist attacks against US, including plans by al Qaida linked terrorists to use hijacked planes as weapons. (UPI)

Nov '02 - Bush names former National Security advisor and Unocal consultant Henry Kissinger to head 9/11 investigations. (CNN, CBS)

Dec '02 - WTC surveillance tapes and maintenance logs are among the missing evidence as investigators try to figure out why the WTC collapsed. (Ft Wayne Sentinel)

Dec '02 - Bush names Homeland Security Project Co-Chair who has business link to husband of OBL's sister to head 9/11 panel. (Fortune)

Jan '03 - 9/11 investigations get only a $3 million budget and 16 month time frame compared to the over $40 million spent on the 5-year investigation of the Clintons. (Washington Times, Washington Post)

May '03 - White House refuses to release 900-page Sept. 11 congressional report. (Miami Herald)

July '03 - 9/11 panel criticizes Defense, Justice dept's for not cooperating fully and CIA, FBI for intimidating witnesses. (ABC, Guardian)

July '03 - White House, CIA kept key portions of 9/11 report classified dealing with Saudi Arabia and reject Saudi requests to declassify. (Washington Post)

Jan '04 - 9/11 Panel has to interview two of it's own members about attacks. (UPI)

Jan '04 - Bush and Speaker Hastert oppose granting more time for 9/11 Panel. (Washington Post)

April '04 - Bush admin gags FBI translator Sibel Edmonds from speaking to 9/11 Panel about attack foreknowledge. (Independent-UK)

April '04 - Bush, Cheney meet together behind closed doors with 9/11 Panel without recorders, stenographer, or being under oath. (CNN)

FAA manager mangled, cut, and destroyed 9/11 tapes. (Washington Post)

President Bush's phone logs on 9/11 don't exist. (NY Daily News)

June '04 - 9/11 tapes reveal ground personnel covered-up attack response, kept things 'hush-hush.' (New York Observer)

July '04 - Almost 3 years after 9/11, technology only now exists to enable cell phones to work on airplanes at flying altitudes. (USA Today, New York Press)

9/11 report shows much of common wisdom about 9/11 was wrong. (Straights Times)

Oct '04 - NORAD takes their 9/11 response timeline off website (NORAD) after US Senator accuses them and FAA of lying. (Star Tribune)

Oct '04 - Inquiry begins about unreleased 9/11 report about civilian, military response timeline and will stay unreleased until after elections. (NY Times)

Alleged 9/11 hijacker rented room from FBI informant, FBI covered fact up. (Village Voice)

Some in 9/11 panel concluded the Pentagon may have lied about how they first reacted to the 9/11 attacks and debated referring the matter to the Justice Dept for a criminal investigation. (Washington Post)

Box cutters weren't allowed pre-9/11 by airlines industry. (9/11 Panel, CBS)


great post david.if these two would bother to read the evidence from the sources this is coming from,they would realise how ignorant they sound.


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I admire this thread. good show king of spades, good show.

the theory offered is no more far-fetched than that of any other conspiracy theorist. You people are like Christians who are agast that people refuse to acknowledge their god.......yet they themselves refuse to acknowledge any of the hundreds of other gods of different cultures, past and present. Isn't it ironic.


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its funny,you go on to give him the names of the firefighters that he asks for and he STILL lives in denial about it.pathetic.just ignore darth and LMM,their not worth the effort anymore.


You're exactly right. Ignore all of us who dispute your ludicrous claims. We're not buying what you're selling.

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I admire this thread. good show king of spades, good show.

the theory offered is no more far-fetched than that of any other conspiracy theorist. You people are like Christians who are agast that people refuse to acknowledge their god.......yet they themselves refuse to acknowledge any of the hundreds of other gods of different cultures, past and present. Isn't it ironic.


Right, if their into conspiracies, their christian. laughing What a joke that post was.


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Originally posted by LMM
You're exactly right. Ignore all of us who dispute your ludicrous claims. We're not buying what you're selling.


Dispute it with what facts? The only counter claim that was posted, came from Popular mechanics. I already covered what was wrong with that, you just choose to ignore it.


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yep whatever they tell him,he accepts as fact and unlike jones,icke or and richard scholnick doesnt want to think for himself.yep yeah apparently he is not aware that FEMA and NSIT have both said it was the fire that caused it to collapse not the plane. roll eyes (sarcastic) Jones was talking yesterday about sheep like him that dont want to look into the truth and just accept the governments version. big grin as I said,the REAL designer of the trade center is Lee Robertson and he is on tape saying it was designed to take a hit from a jet and not collapse like that.I will take the word over the desinger of the building any day of the year over some NET sheep poster who swallows the garbage and lies from the governement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center
Learn to write Paragraphs if you want to be taken seriously

The designer of the Trade Centers was NOT Leslie Robinson(real name, or at least I assume thats who your talking about) but Minoru Yamasaki. Robinson was the Chief Engineer for BUILDING it, Yamasaki was the Architect, debunked. You conspiracy theorists lost a lot of credibility when you added big grin laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing in all of your posts...

Your God(you worship his Conspiracy Theorist ways) Alex Jones uses the same tactics of the Libs, call the people against them Morons who know nothing!

I'm going to start digging up a lot more stuff now, though I'm not going to post and repost your "Smoking Guns" I don't live to type out giant threads trying to prove you people wrong.

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Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Right, if their into conspiracies, their christian. laughing What a joke that post was.


Reading Comprehension is your friend, could you stop posting laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing into every post?

He said you act like the Christians(Catholics) who call every other religion Heretics for not believing what they believe. You do that, "Your living in a Fantasy World laughing laughing laughing "
"Lolz, these Sheep arn't worth dealing with, yet I still come back and post over and over again"

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center
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The designer of the Trade Centers was NOT Leslie Robinson(real name, or at least I assume thats who your talking about) but Minoru Yamasaki. Robinson was the Chief Engineer for BUILDING it, Yamasaki was the Architect, debunked. You conspiracy theorists lost a lot of credibility when you added big grin laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing in all of your posts...


Lee Robertson is the structual engineer, Do you know what that is? before you jump for joy, because you corrected one thing, despite being corrected several times yourself.

An architect is a person involved in the planning, designing and oversight of a building's construction.

Structural engineers ensure that their designs satisfy a given design intent predicated on safety (i.e. structures do not collapse without due warning) and on serviceability (i.e. floor vibration and building sway do not result in occupants criteria discomfort). In addition, structural engineers are responsible for making efficient use of funds and materials to achieve these goals. Typically, entry-level structural engineers may design simple beams, columns, and floors of a new building, including calculating the loads on each member and the load capacity of various building materials (steel, timber, masonry, concrete). An experienced engineer would tend to render more difficult structures, considering physics of moisture, heat and energy inside the building components.

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Your God(you worship his Conspiracy Theorist ways) Alex Jones uses the same tactics of the Libs, call the people against them Morons who know nothing!

I'm going to start digging up a lot more stuff now, though I'm not going to post and repost your "Smoking Guns" I don't live to type out giant threads trying to prove you people wrong.



I suggest you dig up common sense as well.


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Lee Robertson is the structual engineer, Do you know what that is?

apparently not and obviously he is afraid to know the truth that HE not this monero yamasaki guy is the guy and that has publicly and even gone on video saying that it was designed to withstand a hit from a jetliner. roll eyes (sarcastic)





I suggest you dig up common sense as well.



yep because thats something he for sure knows nothing about.Obviously he is NOT aware of what a structural engineer is.this dude has seriously been brainwashed by the governments lies that this Monero Yamasaki guy was the designer.Robertson is the designer as we both know and he even went on video to interview people telling him how it was designed to to not fall from a hit from a jerliner.


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yep because thats something he for sure knows nothing about.


And a structural engineer has never been wrong about the stresses that can cause collapse? It's all theoretical until proven in the real world.

Funny how the structural engineers said the Big Dig was completely safe, and now there are very serious flaws in the design of the tunnel.

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Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Because the conditions where different, the Towers where not properly fireproofed, nor even constucted properly, corners where cut to save money...


dude stop living in denial.the towers WERE properly fireproofed,Now dont YOU start in with the same ignorance of those two that the world trade center designer is not Lee Robertson who has publicly gone on to say the towers were constructed to withstand the impact from a jet airliner and is even on video saying that.


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And a structural engineer has never been wrong about the stresses that can cause collapse? It's all theoretical until proven in the real world.

Funny how the structural engineers said the Big Dig was completely safe, and now there are very serious flaws in the design of the tunnel.

And it's funny that Both FEMA and NSIT Have said a plane was not the cause.


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