I think hes referring to the fact that the Maiar are meant to keep their power veiled and not show vast amounts of power in order to dominate men and elves and force them to their will. Instead they were to direct them and kindle in them the urge to protect themselves. It is also possible in theory that by taking on a fixed Mortal form that the power of the Maiar's spirit would be lessened somewhat but this is debated quite often and no set decision has ever really been made.
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Technically Gandalf isn't a man, he is a Maiar spirit in the garb of an old man. I'm assuming Gandalf the Grey went through certain evolutions between the Hobbit and Lotr conquered a certain amount of fear, seeing as he was able to face the Nine in lord of the Rings as the Grey and at least hold them off until he could escape in the morning (and no I'm not going over this again as it will just be a reharsh of old points, I'm going by the texts here). Regardless I did not state that when he showed his power he held back, nor did I state he held back when it was in defence you misread me. I am saying is that the Istari were not allowed to ue their power to force the free peoples of Middle-Earth to their will, for example he couldn't go into an Elven encampment and use the fullest of his power to incite fear ie start burning things so that they cooperated.
They were diplomats, councilors foremost Gandalf himself quotes "For I am also a Steward, did you not know" or words to that effect to Denethor II.
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The whole no man can kill me thing was a prophecy, not a curse or something. If a man were to do what Eowyn did, the WK would indeed have died. However the prophecy was that it would be a women who would eventually due the WK in.
Some of the Seven were lost, some were recovered by the Dark Lord. The ones that were lost were probably consumed by the dragons of old, their fire was hot enough to melt the lesser rings of power yet not strong enough to unmake the One Ring.
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He may have done at one point but to my knowledge all of the Seven were either destroyed or reclaimed by Sauron.
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Tolkien leaves it deliberately unclear as to who would win between Witchy and Whitey. As has already been quoted here, Gandalf is very much unsure if he can beat him, though nor is he in despair.
Also remember that Tolkien never engaged in trying to rate how pwerful different things were against each other. it;s not like a comic book and it often does not follow any direct logic, with the myth and spirit of the piece being more important than anything literal. Odd things like the fight against the Balrog compared to the Spiders in the Hobbit illustrate this, excuses about not being able to use all their power are a. pretty weak and b. irrelevant to the argument anyway, because you can't start arguing about powers they cannot use, the argument revolves around what they can. I never bought that argument anyway, drama destroying as it is.
As part of this fuzzienss, the Witch-King that takes the field at Pelenor seems to be in a kind of battle mode, like the Witch-King of old in Angmar, as opposed to the fast-moving shade on Weathertop. There is no specified difference but definitely an implied one- possibly relating to purpose, distance from Mordor, the growing power of Sauron, taking new purpose after dissolution at the Ford etc.
This kind of thing makes these comparisons of various different events almost impossible.
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