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BananaKing
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Originally posted by Alliance
YOu know nothing of my beliefs, so stay on topic. It is illogical because no evidence supports it. NONE. Your "lets turn the tables" argument doesn't work.

Lol, it looks asthough it is.
Black holes have no proof, neither do other universes. So what DO you believe in? messed

obviously not the bigbang theory, that means there are other universes.

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Lol, it looks asthough it is.
Black holes have no proof, neither do other universes. So what DO you believe in? obviously not the bigbang theory, that means there are other universes.

Black holes have been seen, and documented. They have proof. And there is only one universe. Get your facts straight.

And if Alliance has no proof that a soul exists, and that makes him wrong, then you believing in God with no proof is wrong.

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BananaKing
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Black holes have been seen, and documented. They have proof. And there is only one universe. Get your facts straight.

And if Alliance has no proof that a soul exists, and that makes him wrong, then you believing in God with no proof is wrong.

there we go then, why is everyone saying "i am right!" when they have no proof? just believe what you believe nad have done with it!

Anyways, i've never seen a black hole, jus like you've never seen a miracle nor God big grin

Sep 15th, 2006 08:50 PM

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no. Simply having an opinon does not makie it correct.

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there we go then, why is everyone saying "i am right!" when they have no proof? just believe what you believe nad have done with it!

Anyways, i've never seen a black hole, jus like you've never seen a miracle nor God

Hypocrisy. You try to disprove Alliance's beliefs on souls, and then when you start to lose, play the "Everyone's right even though I tried to prove you wrong and failed" card.

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BananaKing
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no. Simply having an opinon does not makie it correct.

I know it doesn't, but living on a theory doesn't make it right either does it? wink

Sep 15th, 2006 08:53 PM

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theories have basis, much moreso than opinions.

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I know it doesn't, but living on a theory doesn't make it right either does it?

Well that is true...

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BananaKing
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theories have basis, much moreso than opinions.

Yeah, there is such thing as the creationism theory too isn't there!

Sep 15th, 2006 08:55 PM

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What soul do you believe in then?...

The 8th level of conciseness.

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BananaKing
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Hypocrisy. You try to disprove Alliance's beliefs on souls, and then when you start to lose, play the "Everyone's right even though I tried to prove you wrong and failed" card.

Wait, don't you think my aim in the first place was to get this specific message across? that you should not disprove something you can't, innocent until proven guilty

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No, Creationism is a hypothesis of purely philisophical value. It lacks supporting evidence to make it a workable theory.

This is simply a repeat of the common misconception tha ttheories have no value. This is not true, they have enormous value and can only exist if very heavily supported. As I will remind people, our understanding of gravity is all theory. And until we find the rulebook for the universe, so will it always be.

So it is with Evolution. The theory will improve over time, but even when we get it 100% perfect, it will still 'only' be a theory, as understanding of how the Universe works will only ever be theory.

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Originally posted by O Green World
Wait, don't you think my aim in the first place was to get this specific message across? that you should not disprove something you can't, innocent until proven guilty

'Innocent until proven guility' is a maxim that says things have to be proven, not disproven. You are all backwards.

Sep 15th, 2006 08:58 PM

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Wait, don't you think my aim in the first place was to get this specific message across? that you should not disprove something you can't, innocent until proven guilty

No.

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BananaKing
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No, Creationism is a hypothesis of purely philisophical value. It lacks supporting evidence to make it a workable theory.

This is simply a repeat of the common misconception tha ttheories have no value. This is not true, they have enormous value and can only exist if very heavily supported. As I will remind people, our understanding of gravity is all theory. And until we find the rulebook for the universe, so will it always be.

So it is with Evolution. The theory will improve over time, but even when we get it 100% perfect, it will still 'only' be a theory, as understanding of how the Universe works will only ever be theory.

Well, what did i say, believe what you will, cause you either will be judged or you won't exist/don't anyway.

Sep 15th, 2006 08:59 PM

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Only if you are right, and you haven't really provided any good reason for anyone to think that.

Sep 15th, 2006 09:00 PM

BananaKing
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'Innocent until proven guility' is a maxim that says things have to be proven, not disproven. You are all backwards.

so why is everyone saying stuff is wrong when they have not proven anything yet?!

Sep 15th, 2006 09:01 PM

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They are saying your statements are wrong on the basis that you have given no evidence that says they are right.

'Innocent until proven gulity' says that that which you cannot demonstrate to be right will be treated as wrong.

Sep 15th, 2006 09:02 PM

BananaKing
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They are saying your statements are wrong on the basis that you have given no evidence that says they are right.

'Innocent until proven gulity' says that that which you cannot demonstrate to be right will be treated as wrong.

Religion is a theory, the proof, like everything else, comes from a book to most people. Everything you learnt about evolution and history etc didn't come directly from the source, just like the bible.

Sep 15th, 2006 09:08 PM

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No, religion is a belief; that is distinct from a theory. A book is not proof, it is words. Proof is a scientific concept. The basis on which the theory of evolution- not a static concept but one that changes as we learn more- copmes from are all thinga that can be tested and repeatedly challeneged as fits the scientific method. It is an entirely diffewrent concept to a philosophical belief like religion.

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