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Hopefully I can keep it up for as long as possible.
The point I was making about imagination inflation is that it is possible most of this guy's testimony was made up - but he literally believes it. Maybe he added false episodes to his long term memory.
Perhaps you didn't, and maybe that's why your recall isn't as in depth as his was.
Or perhaps not.
We're learning about this stuff in basic beginner's psychology.
__________________ "Compounding these trickster aspects, the Joker ethos is verbally explicated as such by his psychiatrist, who describes his madness as "super-sanity." Where "sanity" previously suggested acquiescence with cultural codes, the addition of "super" implies that this common "sanity" has been replaced by a superior form, in which perception and processing are completely ungoverned and unconstrained"
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Dolos, you don't need to tell me that - I have a hard time believing what JIA's guy said is true as well. I have a friend who was officially dead for three minutes [serious injury at a football game] and he doesn't remember anything. There was damage done to his brain though, he had to relearn how to talk and walk and all of it.
I DO know the brain does strange and wonderful and horrible things when it's under extreme stress
My reason for posting is that I was trying to make JIA think, instead of just negating his position. People don't respond to well to "no, that's not it" without any qualifying remarks. That's what JIA does, he says "No, no. You're wrong, you're all wrong." I don't believe that kind of discussion generates anything but confusion and malice.
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siriuswriter; Alone with some people who remember Christian imagery, there are others that have no memory, like you mentioned, and other who remember other religious imagery. For example, Hindus who remember Hindu imagery, and Islamists who remember Muslim imagery.
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Stealth Moose - Thank YOU for taking the time for reading and understanding.
Shaky - That makes a lot of sense - what you base your life around is often what you think about the most.
JIA - Again, I'm not asking you to comment on the experience. I know what you believe happened. I'm asking you to look at the points I made, and TRY to think about them. That is all.
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Indeed. One's belief system shapes how one experiences these phenomena. "Filtered" through different people, the common "deep structure" takes on different "surface structures."
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Well, when I rub my eyes I see geometric shapes. When you rub your eyes, you also see the same shapes. Are we both seeing into another realm, or are we seeing something more fundamental about our eyes.
Phosphenes (I believe they're called) reflect the common deep structure of the eye. You, myself, a bird and an alligator all share the same physical deep structure of also, say, digestion, but how the process manifests in each of us is not exactly the same (different surface structures).
On the mental-symbolic level, the deep structure of "goodbye" takes on different surface structures, eg, au revoir, sayonara, etc. (This is not to be confused with the more formal definitions Chomsky uses in his transformational grammar).
Consider a hierarchy of deep structures, from the physical level to even the higher, transcendent levels as long as they are levels of form. Obviously, this couldn't be applied to the formless level.
But again, the Big Q is: do these higher levels exist (and are filtered through the brain), or are they manufactured entirely by the brain?
Gonna have to meditate on that...
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I believe that the higher level does exist (see Buddhahood), but ultimately, I don't think it matters. What we experience to us is real rather it is an illusion or not.
But really, Mindship has a good point; humans filter data through their belief systems and this in turn can lead to a sort of confirmation bias. Knowledge of God, who is intangible and unable to be examined, claims knowledge outside of human perception, which is as valid as Russell's teacup:
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