1) Homosexuality appears to have some genetic factors.
2) A lot of it seems to be affected by hormones and birth order (which is really just hormones again) and may be hormonally reversible.
3) A lot of it is conditioning (ie. reversible).
4) Ex-gay testimony does have evidence, however it is not peer reviewed. The lack of peer review does not invalidate it, it simply means that a well organized long term study is needed, followed by a peer review.
1. Very good. Too bad its a bit of an understatement.
2. No. Try reading research and not christian propoganda websites.
3. Bullshit. I can explain your crap "reversible argument"
4. Really? I suppose the people who saw the Bat-Boy on the cover of the Enquirer should be taken seriously too?
1) I don't think it is, most of the research now points to two small and hardly effectual stretches on the 9th and 10th chromosomes.
2) Hormones are pretty much the major cause according to most research. I don't know what you are talking about trying to refute it, I said that purely out of reading research. One well known estimate stated that 1 in 7 homosexual men are purely products of birth order. If you knew that homosexual sheep had their homosexual tendencies reversed by hormone treatment I don't know what Christian propaganda is because I don't use it and don't use 'Christian' websites so that argument fails.
3) Anything conditioned can be reversed. That is a basic principle of psychology which has been proven many times.
4) That was nonsensical and not even related. Many articles are not peer reviewed, it doesn't make them invalid. You, as a man of science should know that.
1 and 2 are bullshit. If you want me to think otherwise, point me in the direction of credible papers.
3. Unless sexuality is not conditioned...
4. As a man of science I trust fact, not bullshit. Not proven MEANS invalid. Anyone with a halfway-decent knowledge of sexuality can expalin the "phenomenon" of "switching sexualities".
Have you done research because I have no I idea what you are basing it on. I'll post some journal articles for you in a few minutes, let me go find them...
[Edit]: This might take a while, my internet is going slow...
Biological versus nonbiological older brothers and men's sexual orientation. Proceeding of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America 103 (28): 10771-10774 JUL 11 2006.
I must have been lying...
Camperio-Ciani A., Corna F., Capiluppi C. Evidence for maternally inherited factors favouring male homosexuality and promoting female fecundity. Proceedings of the Royal Society of London Series B-Biological Sciences 271 (1554): 2217-2221 NOV 7 2004.
Now the Rice study that you see mentioned near the end is the one I posted and had to report myself to have removed. I tend to think the opposing analysis of X-linked homosexual genes are better done and that this study further supports birth order and hormonal influences. This is the same study that Adam mentioned in the Homosexuality:Chosen or Genetic thread. If you can't access them Alliance I'll e-mail them to you if you want.
Technically there are ways to ''reverse'' homosexuality, but as its been pointed out before, it is damaging.
This can be done through conditioning, which doesn't ''cure'' people from being gay, it marely conditiones them not to be gay. Which is just tragic and dangerous.
Also, guys, can we go back to Islam topic, please.
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في هذا العالم ثلاثة أشخاص أفسدوا البشرية : راعي غنم , طبيب و راكب الجمال , و راكب الجمال هو أسوأ نشال و أسوأ مشعوذ بين الثلاثة
That is a wrong way to think about it. Torture never achieved anything.
If that same person followed religion of Islam, and I asked that person if they think it is fit of a prophet of god at age of 54 to sleep with a 9 year old girl in the name of God. If that person said yes, then there is no changing their mind, but if that person said no, then it is up to them, not up to me, to decide if they will continue to follow.
...if that makes sense.
A homosexual is a homosexual - weather he/she likes it or not.
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في هذا العالم ثلاثة أشخاص أفسدوا البشرية : راعي غنم , طبيب و راكب الجمال , و راكب الجمال هو أسوأ نشال و أسوأ مشعوذ بين الثلاثة
Most of them are underage who just wanna to full their sexual desire only bcoz its not allowed to mix with girls not bcoz they r homos, my brother work in police station he said that around 70% of them return normal after rehab .
I dont know maybe its the traditions you know about honor its like adultry the gov couldnt do any thing to stop it..and the number of the verse is wrong ..I couldnt find it in Quran ..
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