If you'd have followed the thread, you'd have noticed, that i too gave Wolverine the majority of wins, and without Mid having a gun ready even a total of 10/10.
My points about the comic book possibility of shooting into Logna's brain were some of principle not of forging an absolute argument in Midnighter's favour.
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Then stop equivocating your argument to be supported by "anatomical ABSOLUTELY NORMAL holes just like everyone elses" because it isn't....
If your argument is that everyone has the same holes then apply it to Wolverine in which case, arms fire isn't going into his head.
If your argument is that Wolverine's special then don't try and support the comic panels with real life anatomy because you're completely fraudulent in doing so.
The fact of the matter is that in order for Wolverine to be penetrated in the fashion he was in One's scans, he would have to have MASSIVE discrepancies with human anatomy... not just "a stretch" as you put it. And, if that was the case, one would assume it would have been mentioned by now.
Hey pot I'm just the kettle!
You're the one who just said everyone had the same holes that One's arguing to be penetrated by small arms fire.... they don't.
My argument isn't hinging on real world biology. Anatomy is only a part of the reason I call One's scans into doubt... My argument... if you had bothered to read my earlier post at all is about representation vs. representation.
You guys think that Wolverine being shot through these orifices is a good/acceptable representation of his anatomical structure, but then ignore and/or discard representations that are in direct contrast to that notion. Neither takes more precedence and neither has been presented in the majority so how can you come to any certain conclusions on this issue or simply assume that Wolverine's anatomy has mass differences to normal anatomy in spite of what's been mentioned about it on panel or in text?
If you're thinking critically, objectively, and rationally... you can't; it's that simple.
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I was simply pointing out that these holes are an anatomical normal fact and that everyone has them, which those i answered to obviously didn't know. I never stated that the comic-book-handling of those holes would be normal compared to the real world.
In the course of this thread i already stated my point of view to everything you point out here and i don't feel the power to go on about that anymore.
If to you it's bullsh*t to shoot Logan through whatever orifice of his skull even in a comic book, then so be it. For me it's as ok as Logan shredding steel due to his adamantium claws but actually lacking the strength needed for using them in this fashion, or Logan regenerating from massive tissue loss without adding the lost mass in advance, or Logan suffering forces that would easily rip whatever joint tissues without it actually doing so, and so on ...
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And you're wrong in doing so because everyone DOES NOT HAVE HOLES IN THEIR HEAD AND UNDER THE CASE OF THEIR SKULL LARGE ENOUGH FOR SMALL ARMS FIRE TO PENETRATE were it made from Adamantium..... so no, everyone does not have them... it would be unique to Wolverine's case.
So once again, please stop equivolcating your argument to real world human biology/anatomy when they don't support you.
I never said you did.
As I stated before I don't think it's bullshit.... I simply do not know WHAT IT IS... It certainly isn't an indisputable fact, which is why the counter evidence (remember that part?) is important...
You have two examples of Superman reacting to blue kryptonite.
One example he falls to the ground unable to move and about to die.
The other example has Superman swallow it down and crap it out without any effect whatsoever.
What takes precedence? How does one establish a "fact" in that scenario?
Because that's what we're looking at.
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What? Wolverine thinking about an explosive round going through his eye into his brain isn't good enough? Or an assassin outright saying that Sabretooth doesn't have adamantium laced bone behind the eye to protect him from a sniped bullet? Or gee hey... when Scalphunter actually did shoot a bullet though Wolverine's eye, into his brain and it hit the back of his skull?
Marvel obviously doesn't know that the eye socket isn't a straight pathway to the brain. That shows a lack of applying accurate real-life science on their part. But it doesn't stop it from being true to the fictional universe these characters inhabit. Otherwise, as most people here understand, you'd throw out a lot of what happens in a comic book. Selective cherry-picking isn't a legitimate argument. It's a logical fallacy. This isn't a debate. It's people complaining about how Wolverine happens to have a vulnerability. Is it stupid and illogical based on real-world science? Sure.
You know what's even stupider? Daxamites being killed in seconds from exposure to lead. For goodness sake, lead is a common element found throughout the universe. But it doesn't change the fact that lead has been demonstrated to kill Daxamites almost instantly. Stupid? Yes. Untrue in real-life? It would be. Untrue in a fictional comic-universe? No. Plainly. Same thing here.Except that the way they built Midnighter, he can actually see a person's enhancements to such an extent that he can actually perceive a foe's enhanced electrical activity in a person's nervous system. He'd be able to see that Wolverine has a healing factor, bonded adamantium right from the start. He's one of the few comic characters that doesn't suffer from the common knowledge rule that make such an argument applicable to most inter-company battles. So yes, Midnighter would know about this. And considering how difficult it is to put Wolverine down, out of the millions of scenarios he'd calculate instantly, this would be the most obvious choice for him to pick.
Powers/Abilities:
The Midnighter's physical and neural enhancements allow him to play a million variations of a fight through his head before the fight's even started. He can detect what, if any, super powers his opponent may have. Though his physical durability remains intact, the technology that powers his 'fight-computers' can be tampered with, rendering his offense precognition useless. Really if he is like this then He will eventually mess up and miss calculate and then get hurt. If he does hurt wolvy lol ya never going to happen then it is a drawn in my opinion but what the heck wolvy would win.
^ I don't know where you got that from, but it's not common knowledge that Midnighter has fight-computer enhancements built into him. And there are very few people who have found ways to tamper with it. So the chances that Wolverine does tamper with them is literally non-existent for this fight.
Please stop adding conditions to my statements to make them seem false.
I didn't say or implied everyone has holes in their heads big enough to be penetrated by firearms or anything like that, i only said it's an anatomical fact that everyone has holes in their skull, which is true (my, i dissected them myself at university). Regarding this fact i further pointed out that it's ok for me to exaggerate that general anatomical feature to show effects like we seen them happening to Logan, since that kind of exaggeration is common practice in the world of comic books.
on topic:
Still Logan ftw.
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no i was being a smart@$$ i have no problems with gays i have a friend whose friends is a gay theirs nothing wrong with that, hell i call my brother gay all the time clearly no homophopia here.
the tank moment was a complete rip off of logan's comic when he went to russia to finish of his assassination assignment "terry adams" in issue #65-68 vol.2 of wolverine.
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"damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
i have no problems with gays i have a friend whose friends is a gay theirs nothing wrong with that, hell i call my brother gay all the time clearly no homophopia here. 
