Ironman>>>>Light speed. Its space flight. There is no gravity in space to weigh your speed down. Of course he along with thousands of others can achieve light speed in space. Superman admitted one that earths gravity take its toll on his power and he admitted that space=speed which is common sense.
If you think Superman can fight at light speed due to space flight then that means that Vulcan, Despero, Rogue, Ironman, Ms. Marvel and a thousand others can fight light speed which is ridiculous and stupid.
Except for one thing; how would you know that that was a lightspeed feat? There's nothing on panel that said or shown that Ironman was moving at lightspeed.
It doesnt matter. We do know one thing, the speed that they were flying was either CLOSE to the speed of light or it was the speed of light.
Ironman doesnt possess any speed close to light so, hell, I can even argue that he doesnt possess speed of sound reflexes. If we use that as a speed feat, then it is pretty much safe to say that Ironman carry enough speed to keep up with people like Diana and Martian Manhunter when in reality, those two are faster than him.
By the way, that feat that you all keep bringing up about Superman flying Wonder Woman to the sun (fighting at the speed of light), Max Lord seen the ENTIRE fight so I guess he has faster than light reflexes also. He admits that he was looking at the fight so we have two options with this 1). the 2 minute fight was slowed down for max lord to see the entire fight which couldnt have happened because he would have still been looking at the fight when Superman and Wonder Woman arrived at his castle or 2). The video that he was looking at was moving at top speed (speed of light) and Max Lord himself has speed of light reflexes.
Let me know what you come up with.
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Last edited by carver9 on Apr 23rd, 2010 at 05:27 AM
You forgot 3). He really didn't see the entire fight (especially the faster than light part) and was only counting how long Wonder Woman can hold off Superman. I don't recall him saying he saw the fight anyway.
No we don't. Indeterminate time tells us not very much about their speed. Fast, sure, how fast, quite unknown.
How do you figure 2? I'm not sure how you get that conclusion.
It doesn't strike me as unlikely that there were off-screen video screens in the room. We know Brother Eye had a connection there, having taped the stuff inside that room, and Brother Eye was almost certainly what was being used to watch (BE being designed to monitor superhumans even ones with superspeed). Also watching something fast =/= incredible reflexes.
He watched the ENTIRE fight so its pretty obvious that the fight wasnt moving at the pace that you think it was.
We know a couple of things about that Ironman and Sentry scan. We know that it had to be within the range of light because they made it there in a couple of panels and we know that it was above the speed of sound since they made it to the sun in short time. The thing that we also know is that Ironman has been blitzed by Wolverine, Spiderman, Quicksilver and Captain America and admitted on panel that two of those people were to fast for him. So with that said we know Ironman reflexes isnt reaching the speed of sound but we have him flying through space above that speed.
Another thing, show me some Despero or Vulcan speed feats since we have both of them flying past planets easily. How about some Ms. Marvel light speed feats since we have the same thing from her.
It has been stated too many times that space gives speed, even from Mcduffie so all of your arguments are pointless.
He said on panel that he seen the fight from start to finish. It cant get any clearer than that.
Max=Light speed.
And then, you cant even say it was light speed combat since it was basically a bull rush. There were no Super speed punches, NOTHING to presume it wasnt nothing but a mere bull rush. He threw at least one to two punches.
Uh, again, how are you getting "lightspeed" from "he watched the entire fight"? Watching doesn't imply anything, big stretches were likely a blur to him.
That he watched it says absolutely nothing about it's pace. Civilians watched Superman fight Doomsday, it doesn't mean they had reactions near either of them.
So you have proof that they were fighting in a blur when max lord was looking at it because I can prove you wrong since they actually showed what max lord was looking at on tv (I'll be back with the scan).
Doomsday and Superman didnt fight at super speed and yes, the humans watched it because it wasnt at a fast pace.
Ok. Not *every* moment was a blur, and whatever speed they do anything at it'll be on the screen so of course Max can look at the screen no matter what they're doing.
I'm really baffled how you think this shows Max has lightspeed anything, be it perception or reflexes.
Actually they commented at one point the two moved like a blur when smashing towards metropolis...
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