Come on Emmie! Im not going to debate with you anymore until you agree to have this out one issue at a time where the rules are no scans irrelevant to the specific thread topic and the same goes for posts.
We wont move on to a new thread and of course a new Phoenix issue until one side cannot counter the others points with anything new. When that happens the other side must agree never to bring up said issues again unless new evidence has come to light.
When Stakar and Aleta pass through to the SCAR of Eternity, (which was LOCATED INSIDE the actual UNIVERSE) they ended up OUTSIDE the actual UNIVERSE by coming OUT of Eternity: (please log in to view the image)
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Roma says Understanding the Universe is hard enough, but she tends to Eternity (please log in to view the image)
"Within it, ALL that ever was, ever is or ever will be exists"
But seriously, hes responding to Leonidas post so its his job to handle him. I took a different look at the situation, a perspective which made it alot harder for Emmie to come back at me with rubbish. Which is probably why hes responded to Leonidas post and not mine despite me posting first
Umm... yes she did go somewhere to do it. What are you talking about? The only way I'm taking that feat as serious as you do, is if she had actually grabbed Eternity.
Everyone in that room was as big as her. The universes were small there; why? I don't know...
Did she actually grab Eternity and hold him, and hack away at him (the timestream)?
Or did she grab a universe that was just sitting there, and cut away at two people's future?
She manipulated Scott and Emma's future... that is all. Put it in all the words you want, but it doesn't change what she did.
She doesn't have any combat feats. She doesn't have any feats to put her above the IG.
She held a universe (that wasn't fighting back), and she changed two people's future... wow, she is way beyond the IG.
What are you trying to get at with this?
It took time and focus too, something she wouldn't have the luxury of, when she gets stomped by the IG.
Basically, to sum this up... your arguement of this is based off of one feat that you put in your own words, out of her however long running years of comic writing, that she is above the IG?
The IG has been shown what, three times? Phoenix has been shown 100's of times, and you have only one feat, to use, that Phoenix is above the IG?
That says it all right there...
She changed two people's future...
She changed two people's future...
Also, Death doesn't reside in the universe (Marvel:The End), none of the abstracts really reside in it.
Also, that feat makes no sense, since:
Did she grab Eternity? Obviously the writers never thought of Eternity during this.
Or was it some sort of representive of the universe? Since she didn't grab Eternity.
*Irrelevent*
I just thought of something, Eternity makes no sense. Is he the universe, and is the universe just an M-body of him?
Or does your feat just plain not follow Marvel...
*Relevent again*
Based on your logic, if she had grabbed the abstracts, then that would mean that she had grabbed Eternity (which she didn't), and also, that the abstracts reside in Eternity... which would also not follow Marvel, since:
How did Death have her timeless war with him, if she resided in him?
How is Infinity and Eternity always shown together (when they are shown)?
And, The IG had time under it's control, how is she going to manipulate him? How does that little feat make her above him?
I know, and yours is based off of one feat that you think is, oh so great, that you interpet into godlike abilities.
My arguement may be weak, but yours is just overating a character.
BigBran thats a garbled mess. That post reads like its written in stream of consciousness
Youre missing the point with the WHR scene. She travelled to the WHR where the rules of time and space dont apply which explains her size in relation to the universe that she materialized within it.
The crux of the matter is she telekinetically controlled all the matter andenergy that composed that universe and materialized it from outside to within the WHR intact.
She conclusively wielded more power than was contained within said universe, otherwise she wouldnt have been able to pull off the feat.
Eternity is the name of the abstract that embodys the timeline. He is an aspect of the actual universe. He is how the sentience of the actual universe represents itself, within itself.
Jean manipulated the atoms of the actual universe in her hands like putty. She never dealt with a mere representation of the universe (MBody) like Thanos did.
Jean never JUST altered the future. Thats what she did at the end of the healing process, however its what she did before that that made for the truly impressive feat. The amputation of the future and the manipulation of all of the universes matter at an atomic level.
The Eternity MBody that Thanos punked is just a representation of the universe within the universe that the universe uses to act within itself. It does not possess the totality of the universes power. Phoenix dealt with the actual universe. The universe of which all of the abstracts are a part of.
Your flawed understanding of what happened is what leads you to aggressively object to everything i say on the matter. Before responding take the time out to read the comic and comprehend what im saying.
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Yea Leonidas,
the great one is too time consumed to acknowledge this opponent, why don't you pick up the slack, since you're more in "my class" of filth to deal with me.
We wouldn't want his graciousness getting his hands dirty, that's for his minions and grunts to do, like yourself apparently according to this self proclaimed master of your will and action.
Been handled previously and in the end me and tiakocom highlighted just why your interpretation couldnt possibly be the case. This of course got buried under a ton of reposts. Its what you always do when you lose.
Take up the challenge and lets do this one on one once and for all. Just me and you, we'll finally settle this.
This white hot room scene is one of the issues we'll be debating.
I knew it wouldnt take long for you to resort to that
Lets do this Emmie lets settle this once and for all. Just me and you, no intervention and the loser is not allowed to mention any of those points again. What do you say?
Surely if you spanked me you could easily do again. For you to have spanked me you must have hit me with a point i couldnt find any evidence to counter. Surely its just a case of bringing that up again?
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