Im going bed. Youre a joke Emmie. You prance around here acting like youre the sh*t claiming to have punked me on thread after thread and when im giving you the chance to prove this by taking me on one on one youre bailing out.
The reality is you were taken out on each and every one of those issues, however when you got stomped you buried my victorys under a ton of reposts. Something my infrequent posting as of late allowed to happen.
Im not here as often as i used to be and I sure as hell am not going to continually revisit old issues only for you to do the same thing in one of my many absences.
So thats why i want to settle this once and for all. We'll both agree on a handful of judges and then we'll go at it one on one until one side gets stumped on an issue and cant counter it with sufficient evidence. When that happens we'll stop and let the judges decide who won that issue.
The loser will then never argue over that issue again without bringing new evidence to the table.
The threads can only contain posts and scans relevant to that topic.Arguments must be freshly done, no reposts from MS Word.
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this is basically the crux of your argument, i believe since you asked it a couple times. let's look at what we know -- what has been stated on panel.
there are TWO universes mentioned. the earth's universe, and this universe that exists directly beside earth's universe that the entity tranfers to. agreed?
now, let's look at the differneces between them. earth's universe was 'alive' -- a 'true' universe. the universe beside us was blank and empty. it was a 'virgin universe', a universe without life. but . . . still a universe as stated REPEATEDLY on panel. agreed?
now, the big question: WHY was earth's universe 'alive' while this other, 'virgin universe' was empty as a vacuum?
imo it's because earth's universe was SENTIENT, while the virgin universe was not. the entity we see is a REPRESENTATION of the SENTIENCE of our universe. when that sentience left earth's universe, our universe lost all meaning and imploded (it was most definitely NOT destroyed -- HE himself says the cosmos around the protected earth was waiting for it's INEVITABLE REBIRTH). that right there should be enough to see clearly that the the m-body is not of itself the TOTALITY of the universe. if it were, there would have been NOTHING left behind.
at the same time that sentience (as represented by the entity) left OUR universe (and left behind a universe that still existed but that was devoid of meaning) and entered the 'virgin universe', what happened? that 'virgin universe' was given meaning and life. the entity WAS the universe in the sense that it is a REPRESENTATION of the SENTIENCE of the universe. and it is the sentience that is important, the sentience that allowed life to be granted/created in that virgin universe. the SENTIENCE BECAME/EXPANDED within that universe. the m-body REPRESENTED/ALLOWED US TO SEE that expansion. aeach and every one of your scans ca be translated in the exact same way -- the m-body is a way for the artist to show the sentience expanding. the m-body represents said sentience.
to sum up. the entity is a representation of eternity and death. it represents the abstract concepts of both. when those abstracts left our universe (we see them leaving because they are represented as the m-body of the entity) our universe becomes devoid of meaning and implodes, waiting to be reborn. it STILL existed. when those abstact CONCEPTS arrive in the virgin universe, it is granted time and space and life and death. why? not because the m-body expanded into that blank universe, but because the sentient concepts themselves, REPRESENTED by the m-body, expanded.
that doesn't make any sense to me. the m-body that was captive WAS a shell, because it no longer represented the sentience of the universe. were it TRULY the universe, it should have simply ceased to be, as it was replaced. that m-body was ALWAYS meaningless -- it was a physical manifestation of something that HAS no physical attributes. it's job was to act as a representative of the abstract concept of eternity. when thanos usurped that concept's position, the physical representation was rendered catatonic -- it had nothing to drive it. it remained behind because it was a physical creature. the universe as a whole does NOT have physical properties, as shown in GOTG.
looks like protege and beyonder thought it happened too . . .
i've shown you death's m-body being 'killed' by strange and when it reappeared it was in a different m-body. hyperstorm thought he killed anomaly (an abstract entity) but quasar battled anomaly and commented that it must have been just an m-body hypertsorm killed. we see beyonder and protege destroying the eternity m-body and nothing comes of it. eternity tells warlock that his body is a visualization of his totality (in a time BEFORE multi-eternity existed . . .) and on top of that, how can the totality of the universe appear WITHIN the universe?? simple: it can't. but, a representation of the sentience of the universe certainly could do so.
We should created a Mr. Master VS GalacticStorm thread, and have the two of them just debate over the issues at hand, while a panel of select judges grade the arguments and decide the victor, whoever has come up with the most convincing, solid, and undeniable argument.
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oh, and mm, for what it's worth, i think you should take up gs's challenge. he's very correct in one sense -- NEW information needs to be brought to light in your discussions. if you and he are both capable of showing new info, (or if you prove capable of countering any new info gs brings to the table) you guys could finally break the circle of recycled posts and discussions.
it's also an opportunity to demonstrate superiority. not sure how you could pass that up. and the idea that 'i've already debunked all his points and proven he's full of sh!t" doesn't hold because of gs's 'new materials' stipulation.
i for one would LOVE to see a new spin and new counter-arguments brought to your endlessly fascinating debates. i final battle between you 2 would make the on-going touraments seem like half-time shows at the superbowl!!
Leonidas the only thing is that GalacticStorm will insist that we only argue in terms of the current continuation of certain things, or a convienently selected retcon which would suit his favor.
Last time GalacticStorm and myself had an argument over the Infinity Gauntlet's power, GS simply disregarded everything I said, because I was using the classic IG, while he was referring to the so-called "retconned IG" which he argued was just a fraction of Eternity's being.
Therefore sagas such as the Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War, etc. were considered irrelevant to him.
So we went from arguing about IG vs Pheonix Force to arguing about whether or not I had the right to use the original Infinity Gauntlet in my debate..it was totally rediculous
GS is notorious for using loopholes and "technicalities" to suit the argument in his favor.
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actually, i think of most debators, gs does a very good job of staying CURRENT to his topic of preference. i don't kow the argument you're referencing or how it went down, but official retcons -- ones that occur on panel -- are (unfortunately) part of life in comics now-a-days. i've been called to task for missing a current retcon a couple different times, so i know it sucks. all we can use is the most up-to-date info we have. if a new book comes out and says on panel that the IG war was an illusion, then . . . it's an illusion. we can hate it, and think it sucks, but . . . we could state we are discussing pre-retcon IG, but it doesn't change the fact that current continuty renders the past events meaningless. part of being knowledgeable on the forum is being current.
nonetheless, i agree with a couple of masters's points regarding the phoenix, but i agree with a lot of what gs has to say as well. i think it would be GREAT to watch them go at it in a series of 'final' arguments.
And you don't get my point. I don't care about the retcon. I was specifically and intentionally arguing the classic IG vs Pheonix Force, and I HAD permission to do so....
Yet you still tried to bullshit you way around that argument.
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I don't think so,
The virgin Universe was not just given meaning and life, NO WHERE in this book does it say that.
The M-body of Eternity/Death CREATED a Universe with Galaxies, Stars and everything else in that EMPTY Vacuum of Nothingness.
NO WHERE does it say "the sentience allowed life to be granted/created in that virgin universe"
Or that the Sentience became/expanded with a universe that was already there.
I mean a BIG BANG took place in the center of the Entity's body:
"ALL matter was a single mass of Infinite density, which Exploded Outward from a central point" (please log in to view the image)
"The coming of the Entity INTO this Virgin Universe, one previously as Blank and EMPTY as a true Vacuum, now causes Stars and the Stuff of Stars to be HURLED FROM IT"
RIght there we see, that the Entity caused Stars and the Stuff of Stars to be HURLED FROM it's center, the Entity actually CREATED a Universe, by EXPLODING it's M-body as a Big Bang within that EMPTY Vacuum, which was called a Virgin Universe.
All I know is that On Panel,
The M-body of Eternity/Death CREATED and BECAME a Universe from SCRATCH!
So No ONE will ever tell me Eternity is not the Universe.
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You did no such thing.
You figured it was an M-Body, that's never mentioned.
In fact, Death's body was NEVER destroyed, KO.d at best.
Yes, we did see Quasar speculate on the Anomaly.
And like I just proved, we also see Eternity telling them NOTHING HAS HAPPENED!
So how do you expect something to come out of it?
No matter what Eternity said, Eternity was wrong about the IG.
If he meant his totality as in the Universe, Thanos overtook that like child's play, so he was wrong.
If he meant his totality as in the Multi-verse, he might of been right, or wrong, because the IG never had a chance to actually manipulate the Multi-verse.
And yet my take on things hasnt been responded to. My take which isnt even addressed in your response to Leonidas still stands.
That humanoid figure is an MBody. Eternity can manifest his totality in that form, however if he does so there will be a void elsewhere obviously. Whenever you see that humanoid figure on panel WITHIN a universe, then that figure is NOT the totality, but instead JUST an Mbody, a portion of the totality.
Stay out of it? You were debating with me until i hit you with my last big response. Stumped, you refrained from responding to it and instead responded to Leos different take on things despite the fact that he posted much later. I wonder why?
The whole reason for Eternitys Mbody is so he can deal with issues within himself. How can he manifest his full form within his full form? He cant!!
How can something thats not the totality of the universe, possess the totality of the universe's power. Eternity has stated on panel that theres a difference between his Mbody and his totality. With that in mind, your OPINION that thats not the case is irrelevant.
Didnt LT die when the little PIS-girl killed the "M-body" and how could Thanos replace Eternity if he only killed a part of him ... I mean if that was the case Eternity would still live while Thanos was the new Eternity. - Just wierd ...
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