Because somewhere T/T said that W/L relationship was going to be facing some tough challenges in DMC and they might parallel DJ/T in AWE as their relationship matures.
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I honestly don't think Will/Liz will mirror DJ/Tia..the story is about them avoiding that..BUT..when doing that I think its going to mirror another unsuccessful relationship: Tia/Jack
I think Jack is mirroring Davy a wee bit, or so it seems..I cant imagine them making Jack have the crappy ending so that will can have a happy one.
also this kinda ticks me off:
but I can understand why they would need to make Liz more tolerable by the end after her actions.
he doesn't say that him betraying her is the reason for her actions however..he just says it makes her actions more "tolerable".
IMO her actions were because Jack came back for her. She's threatened..
What do you mean shes threatend?
That when jack came back, it awoken her feelings towards Jack? That she did what she had to do bc she was threatend that she had feelings for jack..?
"this one is subtle, but we wanted the audience to get the impression that Jack does not belong on land, there is no refuge for him there. When he goes to land, there are dangers as well. To answer the question, 'why doesn't Jack just hang out on land' the answer is, well, he tried that, and look what happened. Like I said, it was subtle."
If Jack is not safe on land, then does that also set-up the ending in which he sails away, while Elizabeth is dry docked on land? But really, you could argue that none of the characters are safe on land any more. In the eyes of the English government, Will's action will always be considered criminal, as will Elizabeth's.
Also: "this one is a bit unfair, but the story of Jack imprisoned in human form and then set free is a subtle set up for something in Pirates III"
Obviously that's meant to imply Calypso, though you could argue that the same could still be said of Jack. He's still imprisoned by his very "human" flaws and decisions.
No, I think it was more to represent that she sees him differently. He's heroically posed every time the camera angle is adjusted upward, which more than likely symbolizes that she recognizes his inner hero. Also, that her opinion of him has changed from CotBP (you're despicable), to DMC (I always knew you were a good man).
If anything her actions make her his equal, not vice versa. Even after he lies to her, she still looks up to him when he returns to the Pearl. So her decision was all about her. The lack of camera focus on Jack during the kissing scene highlights that I think.
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but during step 8..the hero often reaches apotheosis. And this actually means "raise to the rank of a god" he has "no equal" he has no one who can be his "partner".
I just find it strange how they made it her PoV and there is this whole theme about her being his equal..the only woman to beat him at his game...and the only woman worthy of Jack Sparrow
yeah thats what I meant..she was trying to possibly be his equal again by beating him at his game again.
That shot even had a halo of light...
Its like he's "untouchable"
Elizabeth raises herself back to his level if you know what I mean..by doing that to him.
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And I think you're right about Elizabeth's anger with Jack. She's not so much outraged at what he did to Will, but at the fact that he lied to her. Elizabeth is clearly infatuated with Jack at the beginning of DMC when he's explaining how his compass works, but she asks him an important question: Are you telling the truth? Her actions on the ship both in the Persuade me and Curiousity sequence, i.e. her obvious interest in Jack, are based on the lie he told earlier. That he had nothing to do with Will's fate and that finding the chest would save his life. She believes that he's finally being honest, and given that Liz can be a self absorbed character at times, that she is the result of that. After all, he was very honest with her when they were stranded together on the island. She's aware that Jack has the tendency to make himself vulnerable with her--as exhibited in the Curiousity scene. She knows that she has power over him.
I think this sets up her delima and the real hesitation she feels. Her outrage on the beach directed at Jack and at herself for having been tricked into caring for a man who seemingly doesn't seem to give a fig about her. This notion is re-emphasized again when she sees Jack running away from the Pearl as the Kracken is prepared to attack.
I think her revenge is less to do with the fact that he betrayed Will to the Dutchman, and more that Jack betrayed her. She made herself extremely vulnerable to him, and he essentially betrayed her. So, in a way, her kiss was a return of that slight.
Yes, I see what you mean. Certainly their relationship has that sort of feel to it. They're constantly attempting to get the better of one another.
But I almost see her actions as her way of holding him accountable so that he remains the man with the halo of light around his head. She chains him to the ship so that he has to say. There's no other option. He has to be the man that came back to the Pearl to come to her rescue.
Yes, she didn't seem to know that he was going to stay, and I think that's important. DMC in a way, seems almost like she's hoping that he cares, but that she doesn't think it's possible that he does due to his words.
More than likely, she believes he's a man with no heart, when if she were to examine his actions more closely, she'd realize that he does. As Will says in the AWE rough draft: "I will not see [Elizabeth] give her heart to a man who has none."
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I'm not sure if her anger at Jack earlier was the reason for her actions at the end because the fact he came back must have canceled out suspicion in her mind that the man didn't care for her...
I think it just gives us reason to tolerate what she does..because we can look back and say "yeah Jack did betray her and Will"
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Oct 26th, 2006 08:55 PM
..she didnt say "how could you do that to WILL!??" 
