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katelovespirate
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Naw... it'll be a totally different story. I am like, angst city when i write fics. I can't ever write anything happy.  haha.
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Nov 26th, 2007 09:01 PM |
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katelovespirate
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wow, i just re-read it, and i wrote the story kind of fast. the grammer is pretty bad. sorry folks.
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Nov 26th, 2007 09:25 PM |
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savvysparrowluv
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Psh, don't worry about it - I thought it was brilliant 
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Nov 26th, 2007 09:42 PM |
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Nov 27th, 2007 01:02 AM |
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katelovespirate
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wasn;t planning on it. sparrabeth has been done by much better writers.
that vid was interesting. i liked the last minute or so a lot. sort of what is going through their heads at that last goodbye...
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Nov 27th, 2007 01:08 AM |
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savvysparrowluv
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Isn't it incredible? I just searched it and fell in love with it. There were a bunch of Iris vids, but i thought that one was the best by far
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Nov 27th, 2007 01:46 AM |
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willofthewisp
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Anyone think that the kid doesn't really look like Will but looks exactly like Elizabeth? Reference savvy's sig, which is a lot of fun btw. I don't think he looks like Jack or Will. Not trying to start stuff, just making an observation.
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Nov 27th, 2007 02:02 AM |
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savvysparrowluv
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Thanks Willo!
Lol, I almost wrote the exact same thing earlier -the kid's look leaves it ambiguous: he looks like Elizabeth, not Will or Jack. Personally, I kinda like that - it leaves it open for both the Sparrabethers and the Willabethers
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Nov 27th, 2007 02:19 AM |
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katelovespirate
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I don't know... They all have dark eyes, so it's tough to tell. But the kid has the signature Will haircut. But he also wears the signature Jack hat. hmmm.
anybody else think they did an almost-spooky good job making Elizabeth look 10 years older?
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Nov 27th, 2007 02:29 AM |
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PirateDiva
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Savvy you siggy just made me Cry! It's how the Trilogy should have ended!!! 
But ur right I"ll always fight for Sparrabeth!! ALWAYS!!
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Nov 27th, 2007 02:44 AM |
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lovethemtigers
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wow.....I haven't been on here to read Sparrabeth in a week...you girls have posted alot and I don't have time to read them all just yet...willo I'm looking forward to reading all the stuff you wrote...and you too Kate.........
I briefly read some of the stuff....about the being married and faithful and such...
Kate, you are right...Liz married Will when they were both alive, thus nulifying anything that could happen between her and Jack. She made her choice. But did she do it because she thinks Jack doesn't want her...since he was cold to her and he was willing to stab the heart and become immortal...pretty much telling her that nothing was between them?? Probably not, but in Sparrabeth world we could say Elizabeth may have felt that way.
Anyway....all that aside....(and this is just me, God knows T and T and Gore didn't think this through)...but for all points and purposes Will is dead.....Lizzy is a widow...he is bound to the Dutchman forever...so........does she have to remain faithful...it just says she should be there on that one day every ten years waiting for him. Say Will is dead...he's gone to heaven, but he's allowed to come down every ten years for one day, one visit. Now, Does Elizabeth have to remain a widow and never experience love again on earth? I don't think so. She is free to be with ....whoever.....she just needs to be true to her first husband by being there for him one day every ten years...for a visit...does it mean sex? not necessarily. Does anybody see what I am talking about.
If we here on earth are left widowed....our husbands die and go to heaven, but is allowed a visit down here on earth for one day every ten years.....do we remain alone, widowed and celibate forever. I don't think so. It doesn't mean we love our first husband any less, it's just that he is passed.....and we must move on.
I may be talking in circles...
But Elizabeth is a widow...maybe, just maybe that scene after the credits is Will coming back for his one day and they are all just happy because they get to see each other...and Will is happy to see that Elizabeth has gone on with her life...yet is still there to greet him, her first love. Perhaps she hooked up with a certain Pirate, when on some adventures, fate took its course...and one thing led to another and she and said certain Pirate procreate......just living in sparrabeth dream world...I know it is not that way...but that could be a way to explain it if ted, terry, gore, jerry, johnny, keira all decided to see what would happen if Pirate King finally faced the facts that she belongs chasing treasure and adventure with a Captain Pirate..the Pirate she read about and dreamed about and immulated for years!
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Nov 27th, 2007 10:17 PM |
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willofthewisp
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This is a touchy subject we talked about on the phantom of the opera board I used to belong to, that if one of you died, would/should the other remarry/fall in love with someone else/date? I think it depends on the person and on the relationship. Some people have one love and that's all they ever have, satisfied on hanging onto it until they die and the two of them are together again (the main reason I hate the AWE ending). Other people are all right with the idea of loving someone else after a certain point in time and can balance the love and needs of their new partner while still holding a special place in their heart for their former partner. Which one is Elizabeth? Does it matter? Yes, essentially, Will is dead. He is on another plan of existence, has experienced death, and where he goes, she's technically not able to follow.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0449088/faq
Check this out. Apparently, people can't agree on what's going on with Will.
This is from wikipedia. It can't even settle on one thing in the Will Turner entry:
"He is now a psychopomp, bound to sail the Netherworld ferrying souls to the other side, but allowed one day on land every ten years. The Flying Dutchman joins forces with the Black Pearl and together they destroy the Endeavour, killing Beckett and causing his armada to retreat. Will spends his one day with Elizabeth, and they consummate their marriage on Shipwreck Island. He leaves her the Dead Man's Chest containing his heart for safekeeping, saying, "It has always belonged to you." He leaves telling her: "Keep a weather eye on the horizon".
[edit] After At World's End
Following the end credits, a scene captioned "Ten Years Later" shows Elizabeth and a young boy, her and Will's son, approach a cliff overlooking the sea. As the sun sets, a green flash appears. The fully restored Flying Dutchman heads to shore with Will on the mast. The filmmakers have stated that Elizabeth's faithfulness has broken his ties to the Dutchman and he is free to spend a lifetime with his family."
psychopomp: a spirit, deity, demon, or angel whose responsibility it is to escort newly-dead souls to heaven or hell. They usually appear in stories as the classic "wise man/woman" and the animals often associated with them are horses, ravens, owls, sparrows, and dolphins
So technically, Will is not even a human anymore.
Famous psychopomps:
Virgil in Dante's Inferno
Sam on the tv show Supernatural
Whipporwills in H. P. Lovecraft's books
Sparrows in Stephen King's Dark Half
the Grim Reaper
On the wikipedia entry, Will is mentioned as a famous psychopomp.
Hmm, this is interesting. Will even has connections to willofthewisps, hee hee hee.
"...version, from Shropshire, recounted by K. M. Briggs in her book A Dictionary of Fairies, refers to Will the Smith. Will is a wicked blacksmith who is given a second chance by Saint Peter at the gates to Heaven, but leads such a bad life that he ends up being doomed to wander the Earth. The Devil provides him with a single burning coal with which to warm himself, which he then used to lure foolish travellers into the marshes (compare Wayland Smith).
An Irish version of the tale has a ne'er-do-well named Drunk Jack or Stingy Jack who makes a deal with the Devil; offering up his soul in exchange for payment of his pub tab. When the Devil comes to collect his due, Jack tricks him by making him climb a tree and then carving a cross underneath, preventing him from climbing down. In exchange for removing the cross, the Devil forgives Jack's debt. However, as no one as bad as Jack would ever be allowed into Heaven, Jack is forced upon his death to travel to Hell and ask for a place there. The Devil denies him entrance in revenge, but, as a boon, grants Jack an ember from the fires of Hell to light his way through the twilight world to which lost souls are forever condemned. Jack places it in a carved turnip to serve as a lantern.[1] Another version of the tale, "Willy the Whisp", is related in Irish Folktales by Henry Glassie."
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Nov 27th, 2007 10:54 PM |
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lovethemtigers
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I truly hate AWE....I really really really do.....
but I will forever love Sparrabeth.......
so it says the curse is broken because Elizabeth was true and faithful, yet the DVD says that he is forever bound to the Dutchman......
I guess we shall never know.....
I hate AWE....I hate AWE......
I should just leave this alone......I have so many more important things to worry about......maybe it's time to put all this to rest. 
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Nov 28th, 2007 12:52 AM |
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texgodiva2s
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Oh, geez, that's sweeter than divinty fudge--the story of why Drunk Jack can't get into heaven, has to borrow from the Devil to make a lantern. And to know now that WilloftheWisp (as well as our Miz Willo) figures on the edges of the myth, now that's fine.
Okay, all wise thinking ones, Will's not dead, okay, messed up no heart not a regular guy I get it, however, he isn't dead cause face it folks dead peoples don't ususally get someone preggers--I think unless we're talking sperm farming. So, from the boosty little take me somewhere else thingy that Willo included, seems like Davy Jones would've gone on and gotten another job so to speak, if Calypso had been faithful (and we don't know if she was or wasn't really--she just didn't show up on the DAY). The 'cut him heart out ' thang (and now doesn't it seem that she got off to that particular thing just a little too much in telling about it) came from Davy Jones not really taking her absence very well--pissed that he got re-upped without wanting too and no girlfriend either--those Scots, somewhat dour I'm told. So, the big yucky that I see is not so much about the curse, but the why the heckydo did Will have to be gutted; he wasn't hacked off, he wasn't irritated that his date stood him up after 10 years. That was strictly Davy's grumpy guy reaction to something that had happened. Of course, if the heart is stabbed then there has to be a new captain cos Jones bites the dust or kelp or whatever.
In loving someone here and after, wow, I would love to think someone would hold out for me even if I passed, however, I wouldn't put it in the pre-nup. If I were 20-60 and lost my partner, yeah, next batter up, no disrespect to the man I loved. I am sure I would be devastated to lose my partner, however, life wants life. Life calls to life. 60-80, maybe for grins, who knows a new snuggy buddy.
I am not a huge lover of ambiguity. And this goes way over the top of that. Love you guys clever quick minds, gives me good stuff to ruminate over and chew on--nothing like it in the world. So thanks.
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Nov 28th, 2007 01:02 AM |
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katelovespirate
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I liked the ending much better when Elizabeth's faithfulness DID free him after 10 years. It gave her faithfulness a purpose besides making her miserable for 10 years. And though I'm not partial to Willabeth, I'd rather Will and Elizabeth both be somewhat happy than completely miserable and living a pointless existence.
The way they explained it on the DVD, there is no point. Everyone is unhappy.
Why would Elizabeth bring the kid if she really wanted to sleep with Will? Maybe that was some subconscious birth control on her part. It doesn't look like they brought a picnic basket or anything, so methinks they weren't planning on staying on the beach like last time. The scene implies Will is free, in my opinion.
Of course, it's not explained, but I was shocked and appalled by this new DVD nonsense about him NOT being free.
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Nov 28th, 2007 01:31 AM |
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willofthewisp
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Kate, I agree with you about the free-after-ten-years ending better. It was happy and like The Odyssey. Odysseus and Penelope, after all their suffering, got to be together again and loved each other even more. They could be happy and live the rest of their lives together. This way, no one is happy.
But I don't agree that having the kid there means no sex. Will gets a whole day. I'm thinking his one day went like this:
1. Introduce Junior, tearful reunion, lots of hugs
2. Walk back to see where the Pirate King Manor is...or shack. Will tells stories along the way, Liz tells stories along the way
3. Nice family meal provided by shifty maid so Liz doesn't have to cook
4. Stroll along the beach, Will plays with son
5. Bed time for Junior...Liz looks at Will with a come-hither look
6. 15 minutes later (because this is Will we're talking about) they're done and can enjoy a good smoke and cuddle
7. Liz is in tears once again because Will has to go.
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Nov 28th, 2007 02:06 AM |
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savvysparrowluv
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15 Minutes *snigger* 
Good job, willo!
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Nov 28th, 2007 02:44 AM |
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katelovespirate
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15 minutes.... oh gee.... oh Will...
I liked the part about the shifty maid.
you forgot the last part though... (since we ARE on the Sparrabeth thread)
8. Will and Liz make their "five celebrity crushes they are allowed to sleep with in the event they run into them" cards.
9. The next day, Elizabeth randomly runs into Jack.
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Nov 28th, 2007 02:57 AM |
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savvysparrowluv
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YES!!! 
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Nov 28th, 2007 03:00 AM |
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willofthewisp
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ha ha, celebrity adultery. I've seen that episode of Friends, too. I guess Jack is a celebrity since everyone knows about his Nassau experience.
Jack: Wouldn't you like to know?
No, Jack. I don't really want to know EVERYTHING you've ever done. I'm sure some of it's gross.
Jack: Damn right. Let's talk about Lizzie's shifty maid.
Let me guess, you hired her as a spy so she could tell you what Liz looks like naked.
Jack: I don't have to have a spy tell me that, darling (winks at me)...
Whow! Did I miss something? When did that happen?
Jack: I looked down her shirt when we were parachuting. Didn't get to see it all, but 2 words when it comes to dear Lizzie: A cup.
Hey, she's still gorgeous.
Jack: And gets better with age. She's like a nice dessert wine, Lizzie is. A wine that is best with cake, Italian creme cake with nuts. After most cakes, you should top them off with a nice bottle of rum. I like rum. Really. The best rum I ever got was in the summer of 87...what were we talking about?
Liz and her present situation.
Jack: I like Lizzie, she's really hot.
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