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I just don't see how fiction can be considered a possibility.

But Theism is not based in fiction.

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Its not based on fiction, but fiction can be a consequence of religion.

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Its not based on fiction, but fiction can be a consequence of religion.

Yes

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But in general they are. I know I'm sounding arrogant here, but the fact is, Atheist have more knowledge about God than Theists. In fact, Atheists see religion as bad, all or most do. Richard Dawkins, Karl Marx, me etc. Now we as people came to that by ourselves, I didn't even know of the other two when I started hating religion. The way see it, Atheism, is in a way, the truth. Because what Atheists believe, they believed by themself, no teachings at all.

No, neither Theists nor Atheists have knowledge of God more than the other. That is the whole point.

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I just don't see how fiction can be considered a possibility.

What exactly is a Fiction. The holy books of the religions maybe. The possibility of a deity is not.

You are making Atheists look bad.

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No, neither Theists nor Atheists have knowledge of God more than the other. That is the whole point.

Yes but Atheists understand the concept more.

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What exactly is a Fiction. The holy books of the religions maybe. The possibility of a deity is not.

God was made up. And remains fiction until proven other wise.

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You are making Atheists look bad.

Say what you want, Atheists still have the upper hand.

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Yes but Atheists understand the concept more.

I've been following this debate.
Please, what concept, exactly, do you mean?

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...Atheists still have the upper hand.

On what? And why?

I'm asking only because these statements strike me as dogmatic and determined.

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I've been following this debate.
Please, what concept, exactly, do you mean?

The concept of God.

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On what? And why?

On the debate. Atheists have the upper hand by the fact that there are generally more open-minded, less biased and understand the concept more, it gives them an advantage.

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I'm asking only because these statements strike me as dogmatic and determined.

Yes, and I respect that.

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Originally posted by Bardock42
But Theism is not based in fiction.

It might not be based on fiction, but then again, neither is Dr. Jekyle and Mr. Hyde.

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Its not based on fiction, but fiction can be a consequence of religion.

Which is why I called it so.

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But in general they are. I know I'm sounding arrogant here, but the fact is, Atheist have more knowledge about God than Theists. In fact, Atheists see religion as bad, all or most do. Richard Dawkins, Karl Marx, me etc. Now we as people came to that by ourselves, I didn't even know of the other two when I started hating religion. The way see it, Atheism, is in a way, the truth. Because what Atheists believe, they believed by themself, no teachings at all.

Umm...what about the "Atheists" who never heard about God ? stick out tongue

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Umm...what about the "Atheists" who never heard about God ?

They have no more knowledge about God, obviously.

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They have no more knowledge about God, obviously.

Yes, but xyz is generalizing again....not all Atheists know more about God then Theists do. Even the well educated Theists wouldn't automatically know more about God then Theists do...

This entire arguments is flawed...how can anyone know more about something that doesn't exist ?

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Yes, but xyz is generalizing again....not all Atheists know more about God then Theists do. Even the well educated Theists wouldn't automatically know more about God then Theists do...

This entire arguments is flawed...how can anyone know more about something that doesn't exist ?

...that might not exist you mean, Mr. Agnostic?

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...that might not exist you mean, Mr. Agnostic?

God may exist...

Christian God does not

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God may exist...

Christian God does not

Well, the idea of a Christian God does not exist. Also, why do you think the Christian God can not exist?

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Well, the idea of a Christian God does not exist. Also, why do you think the Christian God can not exist?

1) Logically, Biblical God cannot exist.
2) Contradictions between scripture and reality
3) Contradictions between scripture and scripture
4) Christianity has too much in common with past mythologies, thereby I and many others conclude it is a copy of the religions that preceded it
5) Why would the same person who created this vast universe give a sh*t who you or I have sex with ?
6) An all-loving God would never send anyone to a place of eternal torment....end of story
7) A perfect God cannot be a hypocrit
8) "Thou shalt not kill"- yet God killed 99% of the human population during the Great Flood, killed BABIES during the time of Moses, and destroyed entire populations of two cities: Sodom and Gomorrha
9) God cannot be male, why does he have need of a gender, and where is his female equal ?
10) Biblical God is too limitted
11) God's "people" have proven to be heavily misguided throughout history
12) A loving God does not encourage violence
13) In the Bible, Hell is called "Hades" a pagan myth, where God forbade paganism...
14) Supposedly, Satan has control over this Earth....is God that weak ? Or is he just lazy ? Or what ?

We created that God, not the other way around. That God does not exist....he's too human wink

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Umm...what about the "Atheists" who never heard about God ?

I just knew you were going to say that. And the fact that you asked a question where you already know the answer I'm going to give, rather than contradict what I say is evidence to suggest that you can't.

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God may exist...

Christian God does not

You sir are biased when it comes to things like this.

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1) Logically, Biblical God cannot exist.
2) Contradictions between scripture and reality
3) Contradictions between scripture and scripture
4) Christianity has too much in common with past mythologies, thereby I and many others conclude it is a copy of the religions that preceded it
5) Why would the same person who created this vast universe give a sh*t who you or I have sex with ?
6) An all-loving God would never send anyone to a place of eternal torment....end of story
7) A perfect God cannot be a hypocrit
8) "Thou shalt not kill"- yet God killed 99% of the human population during the Great Flood, killed BABIES during the time of Moses, and destroyed entire populations of two cities: Sodom and Gomorrha
9) God cannot be male, why does he have need of a gender, and where is his female equal ?
10) Biblical God is too limitted
11) God's "people" have proven to be heavily misguided throughout history
12) A loving God does not encourage violence
13) In the Bible, Hell is called "Hades" a pagan myth, where God forbade paganism...
14) Supposedly, Satan has control over this Earth....is God that weak ? Or is he just lazy ? Or what ?

We created that God, not the other way around. That God does not exist....he's too human

So in other words,

"Christian God doesn't exist because I don't believe in Christianity and it's stupid."

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I just knew you were going to say that. And the fact that you asked a question where you already know the answer I'm going to give, rather than contradict what I say is evidence to suggest that you can't.

Please.....I can't handle sentences like that. It makes my brains scramble...i dont wanna turn out like JM, thank u

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You sir are biased when it comes to things like this.

Uh.....So are you

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Originally posted by lord xyz
So in other words,

"Christian God doesn't exist because I don't believe in Christianity and it's stupid."

Wasn't that always your stance ?

You simply resort to calling Christianity fiction, when you seem to have less knowledge about the Bible and Christianity than most of us do.

I have been Christian for 18 years of my life....I have read the Bible repeatedly....I have done my research obsessively (before denouncing my own Christianity)

I have reasons, both logical and factual as to why God cannot exist. What do you have ? "Oh, it's a bunch of bullshit" roll eyes (sarcastic)

Don't be a hypocrite again xyz...you gotta work on that.

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Please.....I can't handle sentences like that. It makes my brains scramble...i dont wanna turn out like JM, thank u

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Uh.....So are you

The fact that I look at everything equally and are against biased arguments, proves otherwise.

I may be arrogant, offensive, even idiotic, but I am not biased.

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The fact that I look at everything equally and are against biased arguments, proves otherwise.

I may be arrogant, offensive, even idiotic, but I am not biased.

Uhh....you have proven to be nothing but biased....we are ALL biased...please don't pull that, "I'm special" card. Thank You.

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