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You show more and more that you dont' know anything about DC comics. First of all, there is not more than one Mr. Mxy. That has been established that there is only one 5th dimension and that there is only one mxy. Who can at will change his appearance. 2ndly, if they were only as powerful as earth magicians in thier own dimension, then how come mxy was able to stand up to a blast from the ultimator. Third, The ultimator is nothing like multieternity. In DC each Dimension in itself is alread a multiverse. The 3rd dimension housed multiple multiverse. The kingdom is a multiverse housed in the third dimension. The multiverse of the infinite earths is housed in the 3rd dimension. Vertigo is a third dimensional multiverse. So how you can equate the Ultimatar with Multieterity is rediculous. If multieternity dies, everything does not die with him. If the ultimator dies, He said EVERY thing dies. Not the same nor are they equiv. MultiEternity is a #rd Dimensional Being who mxy could play with like a toy. As seen in World's funnest when Mxy erased and remade Multiple Multiverse.
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i have just finished reading emperor joker and i am astonished by many of the threads posted in this forum. the joker is simply omnipotent, destroying and recreating the universe on a whim, feats seen only by the pre-retcon beyonder.
'in the beginning the joker created heaven and earth.....'
few people in comicdom have displayed such power, darkseid declares that the joker has stumbled onto the Anti_Life Equation just he's at the jokers mercy. Even the spectre falls to the jokers wrath who at a snap of his fingers has him caged like a bird. When superman declares that mxy never had such power, mxy simply exclames that he grasps that if he destroys reality they'll be no one to play with lol - -
He even creates his own hell. truth is, i could go on and on.
when it comes to feats on panel, no other character in comicdom has matched them in todays era of comics. he has even jumped out of comic strips (understand that potentially, if pitted against any for whether it be the living tribunal he could simply be rubbed out)
against mxy are the events after Day of Vengence in which the spectre assaulted all the forces of magic on earth. understand that he never confronted mxy at any time and each of his very hard fought battles were against magical being like shazam and dr fate. in emperor joker he has the guardians of the universe, dr fate and shazam comatose on a whim floating lol.
BUT the key is - -
the mxy that wandered virtually powerless, who was aparently killed by ruin was the Earth 2 mr mxyzptlk who's powers are actually magic not to be confused with the most powerful counterpart who's abilities are a mental superscience that can only be described as magic. you see he couldn't be corrupted by spectre's interference cuz his powers aren't magic.
He is immune to any lower dimension changes as his power came from some undetermined higher dimensional powers that were NOT effected by magic or physical sciences on the Earth dimension.
Its been suggested that this was really the Earth 2 Mister MxyzTPlk simply using his counterpart's name as this happened just before Kal-L (Earth 2) returned to the DC universe due to the Infinite Crisis events.
Know that the spectre is just a clip of his fingers to mxy and if you want pictures i have them.
if you think you see weakness in my arguement, you see no weakness but your own. read emperor joker
Though the exact limits of Mr. Mxyzptlk's powers are unknown, he's notable for being vastly more powerful than cosmic beings. Only The Presence seems above Mxyzptlk's powers.
THERE IS MORE THAN JUST ONE MXY
w.ww.dcdatabaseproject.com/Mister_Mxyzptlk
not to be confused with Earths 2 mxy
w.ww.dcdatabaseproject.com/Mister_Mxyztplk
read them both and realize that the all powerful mxy wasn't affected at all by the events of day of vengence. in a direct confrontation with the spectre its as easy as a click of his fingers
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'Known Powers: Hailing from the 5th Dimension Mxyptlk can manipulate reality and the laws of this universe in such a way as to appear magical. Supposely the powers of Mxyptlk are based on some form of mental superscience that has literally almost infinite reserves and is thus not effected by true magick forms unlike the Earth 2 MxyTPlk' (therefore he wasn't corrupted by day of vengence because he isn't actually performing magic)
the living tribunal is supposed to be omnipotent but gets punked by reed richarda although he's supposed to know all. in a battle on panel he is unable to defeat one entity so instead seals off the dimension hmmm omnipotent????!!!!! lol
excuse the links, just retype them, im not allowed to give links yet.
lol in the silver surfer/superman crossover mxy exclaims that cosmic power is nothing on FD magic and states that surfer would be unable to change the city back if he'd changed it into a cartoon.
cosmics within the two universes may be different but which cosmic entities have been shown to be able to do what the emperor joker did? heart of the universe. silver surfer and galactus, beings like them are way beneath mxy.
hmmm interesting God's ultimate creation. Well in the DC universe the Spectre is God's ultimate creation, as a matter of fact he's God's hand so to speak and he was left helpless in the joker saga (so being God's ultimate creation means nothing)
joker states that he is indeed omnipotent. he unravelled everything the presence created on a whim and no one could stop him. nearer the end, mxy apologises on a 'biblical' scale!
still, i wouldn't exactly call the living tribunal the ultimate creation..... if he were then surely he wouldn't have been punked by reed richards or stalemate an entity and have to seal off the dimension, that doesn't sound like being omnipotent.
the pre-retcon beyonder was way above him so just because being dubbed as only having TOAA above him means nothing. know that whatever there powers are mxy wouldn't even have to engage him he is the be-all and end-all because with the ability to enter the real world (a claim also made by the pre-retcon beyonder as being real) thus simply means that he could simply rub the LT out, his abilities are that crazy. who else is capable of that on panel?
if you think you see any weakness in my arguement - you see no weakness but your own.
we can simply end this argument by looking up whats his bio on DC. and i know mxy does not trump the living trubunal is Omnipotence,Omniscience,Omnipresence
no limits said "joker states that he is indeed omnipotent"
which is like saying surfer when he came over in the galactus/darkseid cross over that nothing in the universe is as powerful as the power he
weilds.
HYPERBOLE "joker states that he is indeed omnipotent"
no limt states spectre is on the on living trubunal level in terms of power when he is near omnipotent. i dont care if trubunal has shown less on panel marvel states that he is Omnipotence,Omniscience,Omnipresence
the living trubunal is Omnipotence,Omniscience,Omnipresence lol
omniscience is knowing everything, if that were the case he wouldnt have got punked by reed richard. Omnipresesence is being everywhere at once, if that were the case then he wouldn't need his M-bodies. and if he were truely omnipotent then he wouldn't have had to seal off that dimension. there is even one instance where a being mimiked his exact powers by simply looking at him(i will get you the article)
understand that the basis of mxy powers are simple, whatever he desires so if he wanted to be everywhere at once, then he will be, if he wanted to know everything, then he will do.
HYPERBOLE "joker states that he is indeed omnipotent"
read the comic strip, he unravells everything the presence creates on a whim and if that isnt omnipotent then what is? he is eternal to its greatest extremes. when joker states it, it isn't a hyperbole. superman declares that he never thought mxy had so much power and mxy laughs and says that he understands that if you destroy the universe they'll be no one left to play with.
no limt states spectre is on the on living trubunal level in terms of power when he is near omnipotent
you see the spectre is a very interesting character he is the wrath of god, so in affect if god willed it he would have enough power to complete any feat that god deemed necessary so essientially he is omnipotant.
the living trubunal is Omnipotence,Omniscience,Omnipresence lol
omniscience is knowing everything, if that were the case he wouldnt have got punked by reed richard. Omnipresesence is being everywhere at once, if that were the case then he wouldn't need his M-bodies. and if he were truely omnipotent then he wouldn't have had to seal off that dimension. there is even one instance where a being mimiked his exact powers by simply looking at him(i will get you the article)
understand that the basis of mxy powers are simple, whatever he desires so if he wanted to be everywhere at once, then he will be, if he wanted to know everything, then he will do.
HYPERBOLE "joker states that he is indeed omnipotent"
read the comic strip, he unravells everything the presence creates on a whim and if that isnt omnipotent then what is? he is eternal to its greatest extremes. when joker states it, it isn't a hyperbole. superman declares that he never thought mxy had so much power and mxy laughs and says that he understands that if you destroy the universe they'll be no one left to play with.
no limt states spectre is on the on living trubunal level in terms of power when he is near omnipotent
you see the spectre is a very interesting character he is the wrath of god, so in affect if god willed it he would have enough power to complete any feat that god deemed necessary so essientially he is omnipotant.
Isn't LT=Spectre in power?
If yes, then this is no debate (Mxy wins).
If no, then isn't the brothers second to TOAA?
And where does classic beyonder fit? Is he <<< LT?
And why was LT not able to be omnipotent so many times?
Not only has he shown that he is not omnipotent but not omniscient as well ( Richards may I say).
In what comic did Reed Richard succeed in knowing something that Living Tribunal doesn't just curious. And there isn't a number of M-bodies there is only one M-body (coming from the universe of manifestation) at a time capable of being everywhere at the same time. And LT possessors omnipotence and could also if his three heads agreed unravels everything that TOAA has created so mr mxy doing that doesn't prove anything and destroying a universe, big deal not difficult mentioning the beings in the marvel cosmic that couldn't do that.
I say it's a draw or LT wins. Problem with the premise of the LT character is that, on panel, he has to have a consensus of his three personas and be in accord with his role as multi-versal protector to take any action, where as Mxy is portrayed to act whenever he wants on panel.
The catch, though, is that here, on the forum, if LT is going battle Mxy, it must be assumed and is implied, per forum rules, that his three personas are in consensus and that Mxy must be destroyed, meaning that the on panel plot driven instances of LT holding back his power for the greater good of the multiverse is a non issue and both will be going all out.
LT is simply of a higher standing than Mxy. I can't see Mxy winning.
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