Kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (2:191),
Don't kill believers (4:92), and if you do by accident then you must free a slave
Believers who kill other believes will go to hell.(4:93)
Murder them and treat them harshly (9:123),
Slay them (9:5),
Ffight with them (8:65 ),
Strive against them with great endeavor (25:52),
Be stern with them because they belong to hell (66:9)
Whoever Muslims kill was not killed by them, but by Allah (8:17)
Strike off their heads; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” for ransom (47:4).
As for the Christians and the Jews, the order is to subdue them and impose on them a penalty tax, after humiliating them (9:29) and if they resist, kill them.
Disbelievers are najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28),
Muslims to fight them until no other religion except Islam is left,
slay or crucify or cut the hands and the feet of the unbelievers and to expel them from the land with disgrace.(2:193)
Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. (5:51)
Jews are the enemy (5:64)
Jews are apes (7:166)
All evil is because of priests and rabbis (5:63)
Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. (66:9)
It stresses that the disbelievers shall have a great punishment in the world hereafter (5:34)
It also prohibits Muslims to associate with their own brothers and fathers if they are non-believers (9:23), (3:28).
Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. (33:60-61)
Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. (2:171)
Allah will mock all Christians in Hell by asking them where are his partners they believed in to help them (40:73)
Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89
If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. (4:91)
Muslims should strike terror in the hears of non-believers. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. (8:12)
Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. (5:33)
Disbelievers will right posses the hell fire. (5:86)
Let the idolaters kill their children. It is Allah's will. (6:137)
Those who are in Heaven (ie. Muslims) will ridicule unbelievers in Hell from heaven (7:44)
If you retreat when you killing non-believers, you'll go to Hell. (8:15-16)
Those who deny Muhammad and his prophethood will be destroyed( 25:36)
Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. (31:6-7) <-- I have a whole verse about myself!!
A fire has 0been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. (2:24)
Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. (2:96)
Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. (2:98)
Only evil people are disbelievers. (2:99)
Anyone who opposes Islam will go to hell and face awful doom (16:94)
Disbelievers will be burned with fire. (2:39, 2:90)
The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. (20:15)
Women are inferior to men and if they disobey their husbands the latter have the right to beat them (4:34).
Their punishment for disobeying their husbands does not end there, because after they die they will go to hell (66:10).
Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. (24:2)
The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" (8:50)
Those who disagree with allah will go to hell (13:18)
The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune. (9:97-98)
Men have an advantage over the women (2:228).
Denies women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12),
Two women equal one man in testemony (2:282).
Muslim men to marry up to four wives (although he himself had a score of them) and gave them license to enjoy their "right-hand possessions" (women captured in wars), as many as they can capture or afford to buy (4:3),
Even if the woman is married before being captured (4:24).
Etc..
Note that these are repeated within Qur'an several times.
Also, those who have read the qur'an, know that Qur'an does not have order in which is written (so none of that you-took-it-out-of-context, bullcrap. There is no context as Qur'an has no chronological order! It is written under chapters, which have no logic pattern), and it is tediously repetitive about Allah killing everyone and sending them to Hell if they disbelieve.
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Last edited by lil bitchiness on Apr 28th, 2007 at 09:22 PM
I took the priority of googling your claims lil b and they do show up a lot. Now, I haven't read the Quran, but I'm gonna have to believe you on this. Pretty sick, but remember, this was written 1500 years ago.
And Alliance was right actually: individual Muslims take/interpret the Koran as they wish. You dont see 1 billion people going around doing that shit all the time, do you?
002.190
And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.
002.191
And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
002.192
But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
002.193
Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
002.194
there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves
and here is a little attempt at exposing the whole story behind the snippets of text she so conviniently pastes.
Women
And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.
004.024
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
002.228
and their husbands have a better right to take them back in the meanwhile if they wish for reconciliation; and they have rights similar to those against them in a just manner, and the men are a degree(in context of divorce) above them, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
0030:0021
"And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquility and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect."
“Disbelievers”
002.098
Whoever is the enemy of Allah and His angels and His messengers and Jibreel and Meekaeel, so surely Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers.
009.006
And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.
Yes, the Quran is NOT chronological but it is not rocket science to follow the basic principle of every word being in context to each verse which in turn being in context to the themes accroding to which the book is divided.
I dunno if I'm more amazed at such a flagrant attempt at feeding people bullshit or at the everyone's willingness to eat it all up.
Are you arguing that the passages quoted by lil aren't used by certain sects of Islam to promote both violence and oppression?
Are you claiming that there is no violence and oppression in Islamic theocratic states? or if you think there is, what do you suppose is a better explanation for the immoral behaviour promoted and executed by, say, the Wahhabists, when their own justification and motivation is self-reported as the Qur'an, and many of the verses lil posted above?
the fact is, that what lil is posting is completely relevant, simply because there are organized sects of the Islamic faith that interpret those in the same way she does.
Its wonderful that you have such a scholarly interpretation on the fundamentals of Islam, but that is totally detached from the real point of brining up the quotes in the first place. Clearly nobody is saying that all people who follow Islam are violent, but there are violent interpretations of the texts.
Thats stupid !!Islamic sectors dont interpret those verses as they want , those verses are very clear for us -maybe not for non-muslim.Did you ever heard of sect allowing its people to kill unbeliever or humiliating Christens and Jews .Maybe they disagree on few things that Quran or Hadith didnt mentioned it or hasn't a clear order about it like homosexuality ..some scholar said that they should executed gays ,other said the punishment should be the same with adultery ,another opinion said that only lashes and sent to jail ...see what I mean .
Yes, the Wahhabist Islamists in Western Pakistan, spurned on by the movement in Saudi Arabia, and the Taliban student movement cherry picked the verses of the Qu'ran that they needed to justify their actions.
Both of these groups kill non-believers.
yes, many scholars have different ideas. Those that belong to the extreme Islamic groups have interpretations of the Qu'ran that justify their actions. Do you deny this?
You may disagree with their interpretation of Islam, but can you really say they don't think they are Muslims?
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