This is their final confrontation from that arc,a totally all-out nightwing sneak attacks Jason,who takes being Electrocuted and being smashedinto chairs with a smile on his face,This is the only time Nightwing comes close to a win yet Jason still outmanouvers him by saying if he goes down,Dicks friends don't make it till tomorrow.
Coming up,thei battle in Outsiders(Going by previous encounters i bet you can gess who wins)
Some psychological Pwnage to Joker
Some Pwnage of Brick(Basically the same As Blockbuster,but what took Dick 80 or so issue's takes Jason 5 pages.)
Alrighty here's yet another battle between Nightwing and Jason(Damn they throw down don't they?)
In this battle Jason is trying to tell Nightwing that Black lightning is innocent and thus is holding back.
The fight is ended as soon as Jason goes "Hardcore".Nightwing calls it a stalemate,Jason being the amiable chap he is,reminds Nightwing that he has a gun to his head,while Jason simply has a stick to his neck.
Even an all-out Nightwing loses against Jason when he's holding back.....how sad is that?
Jason is not > Nightwing. It was stated in the Nightwing comic Dick was holding back against Jason. And I really don't see how that fight in the Outsiders proves anything, Nightwing beat him hand-to-hand and Jason had to pull a gun out, that just reflects badly on Red Hood.
....In what occasion does Nightwing holding back even affect his performance?In the first one he has a broken hand,in the Second one He dogshots Jason and then gets owned,Him holding back has nothing to do with it.Jason was the one holding back in outsiders,He just wanted to talk and once he started using his equipment,he got Nightwing into a position where he could kill him with ease.
Jason has been performing at a level beyond anything Dick has since his return,He was the one who brought Black mask to his knee's when Batman was struggling,He was only stopped by Batman because he gave Batman a locale and opportunity and he beat a Blockbuster level character down in one issue when it took Nightwing 80.
I don't want to get into a debate though,so if you have a problem go bump a Vs thread and GTFO my respect thread,Jason has surpassed Dick. Deal with it.
I'm not gonna knock Jason as it's his respect thread, but you interpretation of Jason winning those fights against Nightwing is very different to mine. I just see a load of stalemates including one time where Dick was injured and one where Jason had the upper hand.
Jason Todd is fricking awsome! This guy would make a perfect batman and while my own fav Robin is Tim, Jason is just badass!
Respects indeed!
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I know,i have a problem with how all their fights are a bit iffy,but Nightwing has yet to come out on Top in any of the encounters,not one.Plus i think the way that Jason acts during all their fights whereas Dick is always pissd implies Jason isn,t giving 100%.Not to mention his current level of abilities,Since his return he hasn't been defintively beaten H2H.
Here is a fight between Jason and Brick,basically Blockbuster on roids and hella more Durable,Jason survives being slammed through a brick wall and mild suffocation.
F*ck me!!!i just found yet another Todd/Grayson fight.
This is from Nightwing Year one,He has returned to Gotham and he meets Jason for the first time.Jason is actually running the Gauntlet,the initiation test to be Batmans partner,So Jason has little to no experience against an Opponent of Dicks Caliber.Dick caught and Cuffed him.....Jason asked him nicely to let him go,Dick didn't so well....
I probably won't be able to tell you by then because I have missed the last few issue of GA so I'm debating on if to buy it in trade paperback or see if there are the last few issues in the shop
If you look through he has Gotten the Better of Nightwing 5 times,Smacked down Robin twice,and Stalemated Batman.He is a master Tactician/Manipulator who's savy has let him et the better of GA,Brick and Black Mask....So i'd say he's a Captain America level Villian....he couldn't take him H2H but with his Arsenal i'd give him 6/10 on the good Captain and if he has Prep he extends into a Team Wrecker.
Well he has the Speed to keep up.....He was able to unsheath a Katana and block an Arrow shot by Green Arrow from 5-foot away,and he was able to rip up a Fridge sized peice of metal one handed,he was durable enough to walk away from a 200-foot fall.....He'd give them both a good fight H2H but definetly lose the Majority,Give him his Dagger,Guns and other Arsenal he can get 4/10.....but if he has even a little prep they both go down,this is a guy who built a bomb so complex Batman couldn't defuse!!
I think you over estimate him greatly. I will make a thread later to better gage him, but I have yet to see feats that put him in a level that he could take 4/10 no prep vs either of them
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