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I would try my best to not shriek, mainly because i'm betting heavily that i would be watching this with my parents and i don't want anyone to stare at me..
Erm... did we scare Kenny off? Sorry Kenny!!! Don't be mad!!! LOL.
This thread got intense for a few minutes. hahaha. oh gee. you guys are so funny. it's great.
Surreal, I'll just give you a hint, when arguing with me, just start talking about how hott the W/L kiss in the midst of the battle is going to be, and I'll squeal with you. kisses in the rain are always my weakness.
I'm having a very good feeling today about the fact that Jack's going to end up with everything he wants and a cheeky 'You weren't really worried about me, were you?" grin on his face... now its just a matter of deciphering what he wants...
Oh, mine too. Too bad J/E didn't kiss in the rain, or at least when one of them was dripping wet. Being wet makes everyone look so much better.
Well, Jack is a guy, so we all know what he wants. But what order does he want them in? Seriously though, I've been wondering about this theory that in order for Jack to be developed fully as a character he would need Elizabeth as a romantic partner to show that he's learned to trust himself and others....
But what if he doesn't need romance right now? What if what he needs is real friendship, where he realizes he can actually try to trust people again and to let them get close to him. He's already taken the first steps with Elizabeth, and he made a few tentative overtures to Will before he screwed up by using them and not trusting them.
Maybe what Jack really needs to complete his arc is friendship. Just a thought, aye?
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I'm not one to turn down friendship. It's so underrated. People don't put a value on it as much as they used to, especially male/female friendships. They always want the two friends to get together. I think Jack will have to grow a little before he can accept some romance, but don't you think he'll grow a little in the Locker and then out of it when he's back in the real world, back where things have consequences? If he truly does just kind of collapse and hold his head in his hands, he's probably learning a valuable lesson.
Of course he'll grow from his experience in the locker. I guess my main question is this:
If Will and Elizabeth do get together, but Jack learns to allow others to be close to him emotionally, would you still feel that his arc is completed even if he doesn't 'get the girl'?
Would that be an emotionally satisfying ending for you, because I think that too much is made of whether Jack would grow as a character if he didn't "have" Elizabeth. I think it's a fair question, and I'm not trying to debate whether Jack and Elizabeth end up together or that.
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Good question, and it's hard to answer it without being biased. If Will and Liz do get together, it kind of depends what happens to them. If they're all of a sudden the captain of the Dutchman and Mrs. Dutchman, I don't think Jack's character will grow because there go the only two people he's even made an effort to be able to talk to. Do you see what I mean there? It would have be a situation where the audience would get this feeling that the three of them are kind of destined to always be linked.
Because let's say Will stabs the heart and Liz goes with him and they live their immortal life on the high seas. I don't think Jack is going to follow the FD around and if the only two people he's ever really cared about leave, he might revert back to his old ways because I think that would really hurt him. But let's say the heart stabbing thing is no longer an issue and Will and Liz marry. They can't go back to Port Royal, so they would have to go somewhere else, possibly live as merchant sailors and then they could continue to be around Jack and he would be able to talk to them and develop a lasting friendship with them.
As of right now, I wouldn't say he has a complete friendship with either of them. He's doing much better with Liz then Will, though, but he will have to make a choice of how close he wants to be to her, and he would have to win back Will's trust almost entirely. He has to be with them longer to be able to have that friendship arc completed.
Captain and Mrs. Dutchman... LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mmm... yeah it definately depends. The way I see it, if Will and Liz do the immortal thing together, Jack will play some part in bringing that about. So I reckon they'd stay friends, meet up once in a while for an adventure or a drink. But mostly, I'd say Jack would be chasing the horizon, with or without the Dutchmans. Whatever character arc he takes, I don't think it will lead him away from freedom. Make sense?
I definitely would find lots of value and delight in seeing Jack and Elizabeth resolve their friendship, even if Elizabeth is married, into that witty challenging partner of the high seas type feel--- that Jack and she would be able to appreciate each other fully and acknowledge their attraction to each other and their similarities without necessarily making vows. you know? If that were to happen, I'd be fine with Jack's character arc.
I know it was a tough question to answer considering how many variables there are to the story, and I appreciate your attempts to answer.
If the rumors are true, I think Jack has started to repair his relationship with both Will and Elizabeth by the time the whole stabby thing happens.
If Will is indeed wounded and he's too weak to stab the heart on his own, or if Jack, in the midst of battle looks down and happens to see that Will goes down and he brings the heart to Will, then I would say that Jack's character will have already made a huge change.
Jack seems to enjoy the thought of immortality, mentioned once in a deleted scene from CotBP and it's hinted at in the leaked AWE scripts. If Jack is willing to give that up for the sake of Will (or perhaps at Elizabeth's urging?), it would show that Jack is willing to give up a selfish interest of his own for the sake of others.
I think that would be extremely dramatic and interesting. Note that I have no clue what happens in that stabby sequence, so nothing I say is technically spoilerish.
And if Will and Elizabeth do end up married and immortal, I think one of the things they will have learned in this film is that they need to value the sacrifices of others, so I have no doubt that they would go and harrass -- I mean visit -- Jack every chance they get.
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Seriously though, I've been wondering about this theory that in order for Jack to be developed fully as a character he would need Elizabeth as a romantic partner to show that he's learned to trust himself and others....
