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Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
That's where our points of view diverge. You are basing all of this on right and wrong and god. God doesn't give a shit. Why should you?

I'm not entirely convinced of the "God doesn't give a shit" part.


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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"I don't wanna voice my opinions by *Your opinions*."?

I'm just curious as to why you'd do that.

You're wrong, by the way, but I'm sure we've been there.



Which is still technically "not wrong" if she doesn't believe it is.

-AC

i already had a heated debate in the abortion thread, and i am not going to revive it. if you want to see my views on this issue, look it up.

wrong about what? if the girl uses birth control, or self control, she wouldnt get pregnant. she made her bed, now she has to lie in it.

and yes, you seem to think everyone is wrong except for AC. we are all quite used to it.


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wrong about what? if the girl uses birth control, or self control, she wouldnt get pregnant. she made her bed, now she has to lie in it.


She doesn't have to lie in it, you're just saying she does because you don't understand her right, her freedom, to have an abortion.

Oh wait...could it be that you are here...debating against an American woman's freedom to choose something? There you are in the other thread, speaking about how Americans have the right to enjoy freedom, and here you are now, saying she should be forced to not have the choice. Saying she HAS to lie in the bed she's made.

Brb, turning off my hypocrite alarm.

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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
and yes, you seem to think everyone is wrong except for AC. we are all quite used to it.


That's not true, so don't start that bs again. Don't assume that because you hold an opinion that can be proven to be wrong, not to mention hypocritical, that you are immune, just because it's an opinion.

-AC


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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
She doesn't have to lie in it, you're just saying she does because you don't understand her right, her freedom, to have an abortion.

Oh wait...could it be that you are here...debating against an American woman's freedom to choose something? There you are in the other thread, speaking about how Americans have the right to enjoy freedom, and here you are now, saying she should be forced to not have the choice. Saying she HAS to lie in the bed she's made.

Brb, turning off my hypocrite alarm.



That's not true, so don't start that bs again. Don't assume that because you hold an opinion that can be proven to be wrong, not to mention hypocritical, that you are immune, just because it's an opinion.

-AC



Cool post.

-FO!!


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Originally posted by Flame On!!
Cool post.

-FO!!


Thanks, but you can stop now, we do get it.

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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Thanks, but you can stop now, we do get it.

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Of couse you do!

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Abortion, illegal? Well, you're letting a person live...in a world where he or she is limited to do what they want/have to do.


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Oh wait...could it be that you are here...debating against an American woman's freedom to choose something?

That's emotional blackmail.


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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Depends how you define torture doesn't it? To some, just killing it is torture.




You obviously do not know how Partial Birth Abortions are done. So let me enlighten you:


Partial Birth Abortions can generally be done up to two weeks before the date of birth...in some states, they can even be done last minute.


First the doctor takes a pair of forceps or pliars which he inserts through the vaginal canal to turn the foetus over, so that instead of coming out head-first, the foetus will come out feet first..they do this, because the head coming out is the most painful part for a woman. It's less painful when the child come outs feet first, although dangerous for the child (but since the intention is to kill the child, it doesn't really matter does it ?)


Second, as they pull the body out slowly, they stop when the neck is fully exposed. The doctor takes a pair of scissors and stabs the back of the baby's head with it. He then opens the scissors to have a nice slit to insert the suction tube.


Third..the suction tube sucks out the baby's brains so that the skull will collapse, making the removal of the child easy and painless (for the woman).





Even if the torture is only for a few seconds, it is still torture. There is nothing "subjective" about that. IT is what it is.





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I generally value other animals more than a value humans, but no, that's not what I'm saying at all.



You just said it's her foetus, she can do whatever she wants to it. Even when you know at this point the foetus can feel pain.


So the suffering of another life doesn't matter to you....I'm glad you're not in charge.







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I'm not saying there aren't less favourable ways of having an "abortion", some can indeed be pretty gruesome, but it's none of my business. If it's done quickly, then I see no problem with it.



An early abortion is far more humane since the foetus cannot feel any pain, nor is it even sentient yet. By the 6th and 7th month, the foetus already has its nerves, brain, and vital organs ready for use. It feels pain by this time. To inflict pain on any life, especially a human life is cruel. There is no denying that.









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I have the ability to detach myself from things that aren't my business and really do not matter to me.



Really ?


I seem to remember you making a huge deal and entire thread dedicated to animals being skinned alive in China. It's none of your business, but you seemed very interested....










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Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not absurd, you just like babies.




It's absurd that you think you are in a position to determine when someone else's life matters and when it does not.



You have stated that the child is not truly a living being until it is born.....who are YOU to decide that ? So a few minutes before child birth, the child is worthless ? Only when it passes out of the canal, it means something ?

That is absurdity. thumb down


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Here is your partially born child:

Attachment: partial_birth.gif
This has been downloaded 40 time(s).


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Originally posted by FeceMan
That's emotional blackmail.


So, you can recognize it?


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Another convienent procedure: Last minute abortion:


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Here is your partially born child:


You need to get rid of that. Stuff like that will get you banned.


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I find it ironic...posting pictures like that is emotional blackmail.


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Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
You need to get rid of that. Stuff like that will get you banned.



How so ? It is not spam, nor is it trolling, it is not porn either.



A lot of people here seem to be highly ignorant of what Partial Birth Abortion is and how its done. IF these images are against KMC rules, then I will request they get removed....


However, do not claim ignorant to the procedure after this. This isn't a joke...this is real...this is allowable in various states.


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Third trimester abortions, ugh.

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I find it ironic...posting pictures like that is emotional blackmail.



How is it emotional blackmail ?



I am just showing you guys what you are defending. AC is defending Partial Birth Abortion, and I want him to realize what he is actually defending. He admitted ignorance to the procedure of partial birth abortion.


I already explained to him how it's done, and shown him how the baby looks after it's been aborted last minute....


Do not claim ignorance again.


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If I am not incorrect, partial birth abortion is only done in extreme cases. It's still damn nasty, though.


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How so ? It is not spam, nor is it trolling, it is not porn either.



A lot of people here seem to be highly ignorant of what Partial Birth Abortion is and how its done. IF these images are against KMC rules, then I will request they get removed....


However, do not claim ignorant to the procedure after this. This isn't a joke...this is real...this is allowable in various states.


I'm just saying when several of our mods see them, they're going to flip.


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Then I will report myself.....I wasn't aware these kind of pictures were taboo....especially since the subject is on them.


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