Symmetric Chaos Fractal King Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by leonheartmm i can say that from HUMANITY's point of view, he was evil. i can also say that if he or others as individuals DENY this point of view, they are being hypocritical in the same sense that a person who claims that he is inherently superior to other humans beings based on birth or skin colour is beign hypocritical because he or she isnt basing that claim in any facts.
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11:06 PM
leonheartmm Senior Member Gender: Female
^evil is a concept subjective to HUMANITY{not individual humans necessarily}. hitler's actions, if premeditated and unjustified by mental illness fit this concept of evil. i dont understand what types of facts you desire.
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Symmetric Chaos Fractal King Gender: Male
At a bare minimum a definition of evil would be nice.
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leonheartmm Senior Member Gender: Female
quote: (post ) Originally posted by leonheartmm hitler was probably evil if he wasnt mentally ill to the point that his actions were not his responsibility. he had no empathy for parts of the human race, he found PLEASURE in torturing and belittling others, actively going out of his way to inflict as much of it on the jews in as painful ways, as he cud fathom{sadism and narcissism on that level, unjustified by serious mental illness are a good marker for objective EVIL}, he did not feel guilty about sending his self proclaimed comrades to their deaths in the battlefield or outside it{hypocrisy/betrayel, also a good indicater of evil}. he did to other what he would never have allowed, done unto him, and had no justified inherent superiority to base it on. he loved almost no1 and hated others liberally, and had horrendous effects on the world which were based on his premeditated intentions.
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Symmetric Chaos Fractal King Gender: Male
So evil is: lacking empathy, being sadistic, lack of guilt, hatred and hypocrisy all without mental illness?
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i think hitler was just eccentric, he didnt do anything that any other warlord or megolomaniac hasnt done in the past. he did nothing i wouldnt have done as a military person to gain support of his ppl. hell his strategy was the only thing i dont agree with.
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10:26 PM
Symmetric Chaos Fractal King Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Wild Shadow hell his strategy was the only thing i dont agree with.
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10:28 PM
leonheartmm Senior Member Gender: Female
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos So evil is: lacking empathy, being sadistic, lack of guilt, hatred and hypocrisy all without mental illness?
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Mr. Rhythmic Senior Member Gender: Male
Hitler's evil. Pure, unbelievable evil. You could use the argument of "what is evil?", but racial cleansing in any way shape or form is evil. It just is.
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Mr. Rhythmic Senior Member Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos So evil is: lacking empathy, being sadistic, lack of guilt, hatred and hypocrisy all without mental illness?
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Quark_666 political cynic Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic I'm pretty sure my childhood bully didn't slaughter thousands to millions without a second thought.
04:42 PM
leonheartmm Senior Member Gender: Female
^however, hitler didnt do it because of peer pressure. infact, if anything, he was the one from which that pressure ORIGINATED.
04:47 PM
Quark_666 political cynic Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by leonheartmm ^however, hitler didnt do it because of peer pressure. infact, if anything, he was the one from which that pressure ORIGINATED.
05:11 PM
Symmetric Chaos Fractal King Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic Hitler's evil. Pure, unbelievable evil. You could use the argument of "what is evil?", but racial cleansing in any way shape or form is evil. It just is.
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05:38 PM
leonheartmm Senior Member Gender: Female
collective human subjectivity will come into any value judgment, based on the self evident constants of those values in our inherent humanity, with a little bit of variance here and there. it isnt however, INDIVIDUALLY subjective
05:44 PM
Mr. Rhythmic Senior Member Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos Okay, now objectively prove your definition of evil.
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05:59 PM
Mr. Rhythmic Senior Member Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Quark_666 but if he'd been in Hitler's level of power, wouldn't he. Nazis begging him, demons advising him, scientists supporting him, he could have said "employ the final solution" and "use them for the dirty work that we must do" and with a little ignorance, patriotism and ambition, he wouldn't have to feel more malice than a child pushing another off his swing.
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Symmetric Chaos Fractal King Gender: Male
quote: (post ) Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic Having no second thought on the death of millions, hungering for nothing but power, believing all to be disposable, and so on.
prove . You can list your qualifications for "evil" but the word itself is meaningless since no one's going to agree on the tipping point or even the extremes, Hitler certainly didn't think of himself as evil.__________________
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06:04 PM
leonheartmm Senior Member Gender: Female
^however that is due to hypocrisy and arrogance since hitler cud never prove to any1 his inherent superiority over those who he dominated based on that claim. thus contradicting his stance and making his domination and ill treatement of his opposition, completely unjustified. the fact that he did it willingly makes it evil on a human level, sumthing, even hitler himself wud have to agree with in the face of the evidence against his rationalisations.
06:18 PM
Nemesis X Cynical Tyrant Gender: Male
Wait are you friggin serious? Hitler was in fact evil.
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