I have no "beef" with their legislation. I think they did whatever they felt was appropriate. But I am sick of Starhawk touting Canada's "moral superiority" just because they limit the freedom of speech.
In short: No problem with Canada or their banning of hate speech, but a problem with Starhawk.
HHmm....I think private churches should be able to say whatever the hell they want, and reap thier own consequences (such as losing Gay followers, and families of Gay followers, as well as financial and social support from Gay and Gay freindly sources)
However, this poses the question....what do we do about Shirley Phelps Roper and the Westboro Baptist Church ?
Do we just sit back and watch what happens as a result of thier brainwashing of children to hate Gays and Lesbians ? Do we just sit there and listen to thier anti-gay rallies, etc ?
I am not against Freedom of Speech, but Freedom of Speech is NOT absolute Sith, and the Constitution does NOT protect Hate Speech...it never did.
Maybe you are fine with anti-gay, pro-straight propaganda, maybe you are okay with the no-gay marriage, "stay back in the closet" mentalities and such that some Right Wingers promote...
But if you are okay with such things, then you should have absolutely no problem with people not wanting the Bible as part of the school cirriculum, with total separation of church and state, with no prayer aloud in public school, with Christ being taken out of Christmas, etc.
You can't be for Freedom of Speech only in certain cases, and then say that other speeches are wrong and shouldn't be....that's extremely, extremely hypocritical.
And you know what...honestly???...if you don't want Gay Marriage, if you want a limit and restraint of Gay pride marches and media, and if you want schools to teach abstinence only, etc. Fine...
You know what ?
Then Iwant the Bible completely banned from the Education system, and from the work place.....I want churches away from my neighborhood, I want no religious marches or rallies, keep it in your church where it belongs, I don't want to see Christian programs on my damn cable, I will sue every single man or woman who comes to my door, my fkn property, with thier "good news" and Christian pamphlets....
As long as they don't preach violence against homosexuals, yes that is exactly what you do. It's their right to say whatever they want.
And all of those things should be done, except for the Christ Christmas thing as it is a Christian holiday and part of the history of the holiday. Now it would be okay to cancel it as a national holiday and just forget about it. However it's just stupid to take Christ out of a Christian holiday.
There is a thin line between preaching and hate speech.
Hate promotes Hostility, and Hostility promotes Violence. Hate Speech should not be tolerated.
Christmas is not a Christian holiday....it was a Pagan holiday which Christian conquerors adopted into thier own. It is also a national holiday, the one day/week of the year we take off from work/school/etc. and the economy gets a nice fat boost of $$$
I do not seriously propose we remove Christ from Christmas, but I was making a point about Sithsaber's demands.
I don't quite understand the point of hate crime laws...shouldn't anyone acting violently against another person be prosecuted with little regard to his or her motivation?
__________________ Ask me about my "obvious and unpleasant agenda of hatred."
Although in reality the reason/motivation is sort of irrelevant when compared to the murder itself....Hate Crime Laws are aimed to protect specific groups of people who are normally targetted.
It serves as a message to hate groups and people who target people they do not know, simply for hate for thier race/orientation/religion, etc.
Most murders are done either out of passion, or at least when the murderer knew the person for a long time.
Hate Crimes are normally done sporadically and on the moment. They are done for no other reason than Hate.
I mean...ur opinion is your opinion...i personally think the Statuatory Rape Laws are bullshit....
"Homosexuality is wrong, it's gross god will curse all homosexuals and throw them into hell. Homosexuals should do society a favor and just jump off a building"
is insane, however expressing an opinion a preacher or somebody else saying
"Homosexuality is wrong, we should kill all homo's"
is asking people to commit a crime and therefor doing something wrong.
Yeah it used to be, and America used to have blacks as slaves. Currently it is a Christian holiday and has been so for at least 1600 years, everybody knows it as a Christian holiday so that's all that matters...
Motivation often has to do with impact, for instance if you are a cop and you shoot a subject because he's black that would piss off a lot of people, if you would however shoot a subject because he's dangerous that's okay...
If you kill somebody because he or she is Jewish that is worse then just killing somebody for money.
It has to do with the likely hood of you committing the crime again, hate crimes are against groups of people you hate and there are usually a lot of them so you are far more likely to commit the same crime again, and thus need to be removed from society for a longer period of time.
We aren't the same. Canada has a lower rate of hate crimes, we outlaw organizations that preach hate speech as well as convicting those that preach it themselves.
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May 3rd, 2007 06:01 PM
You get proven wrong and then come back with a snide remark. Someone's a little dodgy
