You probably missed that part about how your mouth makes a sound and a trumpet alters it.
You know...like what you just said a vocoder does.
It's the trumpet that turns the sound that the mouth makes into something musical...and with a vocoder, often times you can just simply speak into it, and it's the vocoder that turns the sound the mouth makes into something musical.
You use them both as instruments, because you can be creative with them by pressing the valves, buttons, sliders, knobs, whatever in a creative way.
Look AC. It's right there in front of you. Proof you goofed and you're wrong...again. Does it hurt looking at it?
I'm certain it does.
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I wasn't talking about a delay pedal, you were. Clearly I was talking about a 'tremolo and 'wah-pedal'. It was YOUR example and I just proved that your claim (that the effect ALONE made the rythm of the music) is WRONG. Don't discredit the guitar abilities of Marr.
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Jusy trying to avoid discussing things that don't really matter. Whether it was a pedal or built into the amp, it was'nt a sample, and it wasnt a synth. It had no relevancy. But for the sake of avoiding argument, yes, VVD was 'more' correct in saying it wasnt a pedal, if you will.
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AC said you can't use a vocoder as an instrument...he only thinks instruments are "traditional" forms of expressing yourself musically like a trumpet...(but then also went on to say vocoders alter the sound you mouth makes)
To which I said...
The number of times you have agreed with AC on the most outlandish arguments and reasoning involving music is truly a wonder to behold...AC of all people.
YES EVERYONE. It's a guitar EFFECT. I think we all agree with that.
And a guitar EFFECT can be used extremely creatively and innovatively...or it can just be slapped on.
Pedals are pushed, knobs are turned, buttons are pressed (and MOST LIKELY these all happened in the How Soon is Now guitar riff), and IF you do all that stuff creatively, it ..the effects...can be adding more to the music in terms of the personality, vibe, rhythm it's giving it than what has just been played on the initial instrument.
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Well the argument was in concern to both me and AC having the impression you thought it was a synth or sample, not a GUITAR EFFECT. Don't you remember arguming about that with AC? Finally that was put to rest, well at least I though it was. Whether it was a pedal effect or not was irrelvant, that's all I was trying to say.
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Then you're not reading my posts carefully because I never said IT was a synth or IT was a sample. You'd probably get that if you skimmed through the post.
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True, you never say it was, for sure, a sample or synth. But you certainly believed it COULD be, as your quote above implies. I simply wanted to KILL the idea of it being anything other than a guitar effect.
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"The trumpet is made of brass tubing bent into a rough spiral. Although the bore is roughly cylindrical, it is more precisely a complex series of tapers, smaller at the mouthpiece receiver and larger just before the flare of the bell begins. Careful design of these tapers is critical to the intonation of the instrument. Sound is produced by blowing air through closed lips, producing a 'buzzing' sound into the mouthpiece and starting a standing wave vibration in the air column inside the trumpet.".
You were saying, EP?
You blow into a trumpet, the trumpet makes the sound.
You make the sound, the vocoder alters it.
Same as you, you don't either, that's a fact.
"You make the sound with your lips." Hahahaha.
Either prove you know about making and playing music, or stop saying I don't.
A microphone...on it's own...is a tool. It doesn't (like something you can use as an instrument) have buttons to push or knobs to turn that can be used in a creative way to be musical with.
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