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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Don't receive the mark of the beast no matter what.


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Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
QUESTION! Is this 666 language based, for example, is it the hebrew 666 and therefore an english 666 is ok? Is it specific to being accepted on your body, or are you doomed if someone hands you a folded piece of paper with 666 written on it? (that happened to me once) And what of this whole 616 thing. Or if you change is $6.66 or your paycheck is $666 or you make it to an Xbox Live gamerscore of 666. What if someone kidnaps you, knocks you out and tatoos 666 onto the back of your head so you don't know it's there?

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The number is from Revelation which was originally written in Greek not Hebrew. Scholars have confirmed beyond all doubt that the original number was 616 (chi, iota, sigma). Revelation also never states that there is anything bad about the number.

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Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
Interesting, I must look more into this...

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The number is from Revelation which was originally written in Greek not Hebrew. Scholars have confirmed beyond all doubt that the original number was 616 (chi, iota, sigma). Revelation also never states that there is anything bad about the number.

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Ancient wisdom symbology was designed to encapsulate, encode, and convey very specific and ultimately verifiable information to future generations. As you will see in these series of articles and in my FREE E-Book, the symbolism evidenced throughout these ancient texts is an ancient philosophical technology, contrary to the assertions of many religious leaders. One aspect of this symbology is numeric symbolism. On the other hand, mysticism and numerology are mumbo-jumbo based partially on misunderstood ancient symbology and purposeful efforts to obscure what little is known.

666 is a numeric symbol that purposely marks the Vatican/Papacy throughout history, not any single individual. The number 666 is put forth in verse 13:18 in the Book of Revelation and of course, 6+6+6 equals 18, directly matching the verse number and helping to disprove any 616 assertions.

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Men, women, and beasts symbolize organizations, groups of people, and key aspects of their character in all symbolically sealed Hebrew prophecies. Revelation never mentions the so-called antichrist. 666 is the most famous of all triangular numbers, being the sum of the whole numbers from 1 through 36.

Triangular numbers were very important to Greek Pythagoreans. Accordingly, the Hebrew wisdom group, also known as the Yahad, Essene, Nazarenes, and other titles, purposely used them as pivotal symbolism pointing to Greco-Romans (i.e., Gog from the land of Magog), those who invaded, subjugated, and Hellenized ancient Judea and Palestine. The information on triangular numbers further disproves long-term efforts to hide the truth about this symbol and what it truly means.

For example, John 21:11, which speaks of Peter, the supposed first Pope, has the number 21 in its chapter and verse number. 21 is also a triangular number that is the sum of all whole numbers from 1-6. Consequently, it forms a triangle with three 6-point sides, hence a triangular representation of 666. Most of you have seen 666 arranged around an equilateral triangle. Now you can understand what it means and where it originated.

John 21:11
Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land (earth) full of great fishes, a hundred and fifty and three (153); and for all there were so many, yet the net was not broken.

Additionally, 153 is a triangular number that is the sum of the whole numbers 1 through 17. Also the verse number is 11 and the sum of all whole numbers from 1 through 11 equals 66 and 17-11 equals 6. Why are 11 and 17 important in this verse talking about Peter and redundantly symbolizing 666 and triangular numbers? The Second Temple period of ancient Israel was during the 11th 360-year cycle on the Hebrew calendar and the 21st century is the beginning of the 17th cycle, which began in Hebrew year 5761, which was Christian year 2001. Thereby, John 21:11 purposely links Peter, the Papacy, 666, and the 11th through 17th cycles on the Hebrew calendar. Notice also that the prophecies of St. Malachy say that the Papacy will end shortly, which will be during the 21st century and 17th cycle. Here is Wisdom!!

For more stunning confirmation of this information, download my FREE EBook and read through the symbol glossary for 1776, 666, 153, 66, 36, 21, 18, net, triangle, triangular number, and related references. Be prepared to be shocked and amazed.

There is a foolproof way to verify the truth and expose centuries-old religious deceptions. It also proves why it is complete folly to trust anything the Vatican and religious leaders tell us about ancient history or much else. It is the common thread connecting why the ancient Hebrews, Yahad/Essene, Jews, Gnostics, Cathars, Templars, Dead Sea Scrolls, DaVinci Code, and others have been targets of Rome's ire and evil machinations. The Vatican and its secret society cohorts don't want you to understand that the ancient Hebrew symbology in all of these texts purposely encodes and exposes the truth about them. Furthermore, the structure of ancient wisdom symbology verifiably encodes the rules to decode messages built with it. This is what they most fear you will discover.

If the Bible, Quran, and other canons represented the literal truth or even accurate history, there would be no need for faith in the assertions of deceptive and duplicitous religious leaders. It is undeniable the New Testament is awash with ancient Hebrew symbolism and allegory. The same is evidenced in the Old Testament, Dead Sea Scrolls, Gnostic texts, biblical apocrypha, Quran, DaVinci Code, and other related sources. All ancient religious, mystical, and wisdom texts have been shrouded in mystery for millennia for one primary reason: The ability to understand their widely evidenced symbology was lost in antiquity. How do we finally solve these ages-old mysteries? To recast an often-used political adage: It's [the] symbology, stupid!

It is beyond amazing that the Vatican and religious leaders still insist that the Gospels are the literal truth. Every miracle purported for Jesus has multiple direct symbolic parallels in the Old Testament, Apocalypse, Dead Sea Scrolls, and other symbolic narratives and traditions. Recasting the symbolism of earlier Hebrew texts as literal events in the New Testament is one of the central deceptions associated with Christianity. All three so-called faiths of Abraham are guilty of the same errors and deception. This is part of the secret knowledge held by the ancient Gnostics, Templars, Cathars, and others, which is presented with dramatic effect in the DaVinci Code. None of these narratives or stories were ever intended as the literal truth. This fact is the key to unraveling many ages-old mysteries and exposing the truth about the Vatican's long-term deceptions.

Moreover, the following Washington Post article (The Book of Bart) describes how many changes and embellishments were made to New Testament texts over the centuries, unequivocally demonstrating they are not original, infallible, or truthful. When you combine proof that the New Testament Gospels are not wholly literal with proof that these texts were heavily reworked in the early years of Christianity, you are left with only one possible conclusion. The Vatican has long lied to everyone about the central tenets and history of Christianity. This revelation also proves they are not the Creator's representatives but Her long-time opponents. The recent hoopla over the Gospel of Judas and DaVinci Code demonstrates they are still desperately trying to deceive the world and obfuscate their true nature and activities.

It's no wonder the Vatican fears the truth more than anything else. As further proof of these assertions, seek to understand the symbolic significance of my name (Seven Star Hand) and you will have proof beyond disproof that Jews, Christians, and Muslims have long been duped by the great deceivers I warned humanity about over the millennia. What then is the purpose of "faith" but to keep good people from seeking to understand the truth?

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Originally posted by dadudemon
1. Source?

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Originally posted by dadudemon
2. That's not what this debunker blog says about it:

http://exposing-religious-deception...-about-666.html

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
About which one?

The 616 was confirmed as the oldest version of the number by Oxford.



He called semiotics "symbology" and so I'm going to give him the same level of credence I give to Dan Brown.

And 6+6+6 = 18 doesn't "prove" that the number couldn't possibly have been 616. In fact it just proves that 6*3=18.

Also one of his sources actually is the Da Vinci Code.

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Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, no, the 18 product would also be logical due to the triangular "funzies" that abounded in Greek references. Most likely, John wrote it in aramaic and, when equated in gematria (for Nero), it comes out, nicely, to 666. My opinion, it is that this is the most logical answer. It's been a while since I've discussed this, but, I think some early Christian dude with a name that looks/sounds like Irene said that 616 was wrong and 666 was right. There's something to do with the numbers of 616 that have the triangle thing going on, too, but I don't remember what that was.

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
616 is the sum of the squares of the factorials of 2, 3 and 4 which is more awesome than the your stupid "triangel".

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The current source for the 616 theory is Papyrus 115 as translated by Oxford university. It's part of the oldest known copy of Revelation.

On review I might have overstated the confidence of the academic community on this point. Obviously, there's no way to be absolutely certain what John originally wrote.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Once the church is taken out of the earth and you are left behind, the man of sin (i.e. the beast or antichrist) will make his appearance. The church will be taken to Heaven by Jesus Christ in an event called the "Rapture." The antichrist will attempt to explain the world-wide disappearance of millions of people (all of them Christians/believers of Jesus the Christ). The man of sin will assuage everyone's concerns and attempt to bring order in this trying, distressing period of time. This moment marks the last 7 years of human history. Whoever receives the mark of the beast (i.e. the antichrist) has sealed their eternal destiny. You will not be able to buy or sell without accepting the mark of the beast. You may be tortured in an effort to get you to accept this eternal mark of allegiance, but do not do this. Be faithful even to death and you will be saved if you confess Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and believe that God has raised Him from the dead. You must believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins according to the Scriptures, was buried, and raised the third day. You must repent (i.e. change one’s mind) of your sins and turn towards Jesus Christ for salvation from your sins. Jesus Christ promises that if you do these things (from your heart) you will be saved from the wrath to come upon the whole world. The Book of Revelation details all of the things that are coming on the world after the Rapture takes place. Read it. Get a Bible and read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It This passage of Scripture describes the catching away of the church i.e. the Rapture. God’s people will not suffer the God’s wrath as described in the Book of Revelation. That is why Jesus the Christ is coming back to earth, to take His people out of here before the wrath of God against sin is administered. The antichrist (i.e. the beast or man of sin) will be very charismatic, a powerful, convincing orator. He will perhaps be handsome, persuasive, charming, and believable. He will appear to bring order and peace to the world in the first 3 ˝ years of this period called “the Tribulation.” But in the last 3 ˝ years of human history (also referred to as “the Great Tribulation”) the antichrist will break his covenant, set up an image in the temple in Jerusalem, and command everyone everywhere to worship this image. The antichrist will sit in the temple and declare himself to be God Almighty. Read 2 Thessalonians 2:4-9; Revelation 13:16-18. These passages of Scripture describe the antichrist. The “abomination of desolation” spoken about in Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15 and in Mark 13:14 is the image of the beast i.e. antichrist. Do not worship his image or receive his mark (i.e. mark of allegiance to him which is 666).

What to do after the church has been raptured

To those who have still rejected Jesus Christ (His love, His salvation), once the church is raptured (caught up into Heaven), tribulation (God's wrath against sinners on earth) will immediately follow. Don't accept the mark of the beast (666). If you do accept satan's mark your fate is sealed for eternity. You are a spirit and your spirit will never cease to exist. All people who have died and come back to life can attest to this. You only go to one of two places when you die: Heaven or Hell. I know that you have heard this a million times. Again, don' t accept the mark of the beast (666). If you refuse to accept satan's mark you will be tortured (to get you to accept it). If you still refuse to accept satan's mark you will be beheaded. But if you refuse to accept satan's mark you will receive eternal life (if you confess Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior). Don't wait until after the church is gone to receive Christ into your heart and life. It will be harder for you to receive Christ once the church is gone. It will cost you immense suffering, pain, and ultimately death. Again, don't accept the mark of the beast (666).

So how do I receive Jesus so I can be forgiven for all of my sins, made righteous in God's eyes (or good enough to go to Heaven), and so I can receive everlasting life?

Romans 10:9-10,13
that IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH THE LORD JESUS AND BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART THAT GOD HAS RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, YOU WILL BE SAVED. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:13
FOR "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."

1. God says you must confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that He (God) has raised Him (Jesus Christ) from the dead, and you will be saved. You will be forgiven for all your sins, and declared to be righteous to go to Heaven.

2. Whoever calls on the Name of Lord Jesus Christ for salvation shall be saved. Whoever sincerely believes in, depends on, and trusts in Jesus Christ with all their heart will be saved. Ask Jesus Christ to save you from your sins, to declare you to be righteous, and to give you everlasting life. Thank Jesus for forgiving you for all of your sins, for declaring you to be righteous, for making
you good enough to go to Heaven, and for dying to pay for your sins.

Say this prayer from your heart:

Lord Jesus, I confess that You are Lord, and I believe with all of my heart that God raised You from the dead. I call upon Your Name for salvation. Also Lord Jesus, I repent from all of my sins. Thank You for saving me and giving me everlasting life now.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
He/she who has ears to hear take this to heart.

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A lie is still a lie regardless of the ear it lands in.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Those are strong words coming from a Buddhist who believes everything is relative.

How can you speak so dogmatically about the Bible when you don't believe in absolutes?

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A cow is a cow and a cat is a cat. You don't need absolutes to know that.

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes you do.

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A cow is a cow and a cat is a cat. You don't need absolutes to know that.

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your argument is not convincing, oh wait... you don't have an argument.