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I'd rather choose not to place a year, but, it's her call for the fan fiction she's writing... 
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Surreal_44
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Siriuswriter The 1800's would be a bit late for the Revolutionary War (I think the war was over by 1782 or 1783), but then ther'es the War of 1812 (or American War of 1812), a short but bitter war between the U.S. and Britain and its colonies. Lots of naval battles there too, so plenty of need for the Dutchman.
Well, here'a question I have. The swords on the beach, where Will and Elizabeth spend their day together. Is that Norrington's sword Will has, or is it just similar to Norrington's sword? And is Elizabeth's sword her original one (the one she brought on the Dutchman)? I thought she dropped it and I never really saw her pick it back up. Maybe Will brought it to her. 
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I think Will did brought it back to her, and i think it is Norri's sword..
but then, all of that is just a logical thought IMHO by me.
or a fandom thought.
take your pick i guess.. 
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Jun 7th, 2007 02:24 PM |
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Siriuswriter, if you want to include some Americana in there and put a war in, you could do the French-Indian war. I'm almost positive there would be things going on at sea in that time. There were probably several wars in Europe going on from 1700 to 1760 or so.
The swords...ooh, you thought the sword-exchanging in DMC was hard to follow. Welcome to AWE. It would be really cool if Will kept the sword that killed him, kind of show he conquered it. Plus he made it, so it seems to fit him. Liz's sword...I have no idea. Will probably just brought it back to her.
DMC sword exchange with Will:
Will has a sword, loses it when he's captured by the cannibals.
Will steals a sword from some extra to threaten Jack
Somewhere, probably on the FD, Will loses that sword.
Will takes Liz's sword to fight Jack and James
My guess is that is the sword he keeps for the whole time in AWE except the end and Liz just gets another one. Maybe they have an illegal arms dealer that helps them out.
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Jaeh
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*scratches head* I'm suddenly confused, and i don't even wanna know what happened to the swords now.
what about the spanish? i heard they were constantly harassed by pirates...
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Surreal and willothewisp - thank you both very much for your help, I think I will use the War of 1812.
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Jun 7th, 2007 08:36 PM |
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I have a question! PLZ someone answer.
When Ted and Terry were talking about the point of Jack being in the cannibal island in the DMC DVD commentary I remember them saying things about how he wasn't safe on land and...
Well all that was cool but I also remember them saying that one of the reasons(that they included the cannibal scene) will be seen in AWE. Anyone see that reason??
Also (stop me if I'm wrong though) Lizzie trades JAck for Will. Will agrees cause he nows JAck'll stab the heart. JAck agrees cause he wants to stab the heart. Will coveres for Jack cause he knows his plan. Jack is betraying the pirates but he's ACTUALLY betraying Becket.
later Liz asks barbossa to give Jack a chance. Does she know the plan? Does she GUESS the plan? Nobody told her:"Hey! Jack's gonna stab the heart instead of Will."
So why did she do the trade? Did she want Will with her or was she KNOW Jack would stab the heart
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Jun 16th, 2007 05:31 AM |
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tee_pirategirl
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come on! Someone? Anyone? plz?
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Jun 16th, 2007 05:48 PM |
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Apparently the Cannibal Island scene was a bit of foreshadowing about releasing a god from human form.
I think Elizabeth guesses what the plan is. Will kind of quirks his brows at her, and her eyes widen, and then she kind of looks at Jack, who does a bit of eye speaking as well, then Liz and Will make eyes at each other again. Besides, she DOES want Will, so that is also part of it.
Short answer: Lizzie figures out that Jack and Will have a plan, and she wants Will to be with her, so it's handy all-around.
Also, I was wrong about the curse being broken totally for sure; the writers have said (now -- Ted just put that up today) that it's up to the audience to decide for themselves. Ah, how they love to be ambiguous.
Me, personally, I like the idea of the curse being broken, but I'm also good with the curse still continuing on for eternity, since Lizzie could drink from the fountain of youth or go drown herself or something and join Will's crew. Either way it all works out somehow.
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Jun 16th, 2007 09:02 PM |
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tee_pirategirl
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Ah!!! Thank u! I always wondered if their look exchanging meant something. Especially since Jack only agrees after said looks being exchanged. so thnx
BTW! Hilariouse about the whole curse thing.Not that I find it hilariouse if the curse was not to be broken.
I mean it wouldn't make much of a difference to me but I find it amusing how T&T let the suspense run even after all the guessing and wondering...makes it sorta mythical and...madeningly unhelpful.
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Jun 16th, 2007 09:57 PM |
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It is funny. And the thing is, I suspect that they both personally believe the curse is broken, but they're going to let everyone decide for themselves. At least until there's a new movie, perhaps.
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One things for certain mates is that there is more than meets the eye durring much of these three movies.
The fun part is trying to figure out who's working with who and to what end and under what circumstances do they change to plan B-Z.
We know that Jack doesn't just make things up as he goes... well mostly.... figuratively speaking. But he generally crafts his deals and agreements with others as to allow him as many loopholes as possible. He's incredibly cunning and inteligent despite all evidence to the contrary.
Will is learning from Jack and has developed a good feel for how Jack thinks and no doubt has picked up on some of Jack's tactics. Though much more honorable in his actions than Jack he will stoop to his level if need be. He's more like Jack than he'd like to think.
Liz like Will has learned a lot from Jack she seems more willing to stoop to Jacks level than Will but still maintains a level of honor that is moderately higher than Jack. She's learned to be increasingly cunning. Her obsession with pirates has served her well and she truly thinks like a pirate.
One thing for sure there are lot plots and sub plots and little things that come up along the way that are maddeningly unhelpful.
Anyone else notice the guy in the hot tub or whatever that was at the begining that turned his head and you could see what looke like fish features? I caught that the second time around... Could he have been a spy for Becket, by way of Davy Jones. Perhaps that's how Becket's men knew exactly where to find them. Maybe he had Jones dispatch one of his crew members.
Also at the begining we see Liz rowing that boat and above the british soldiers are marching all around yet no one of the pirates is at all suspicious and their only reaction is to make sure they're not seen. Is that just simply that Becket along with the help of the FD have been hunting down the pirates and were there anyway. Did Mercer follow Will?
Nine pieces of eight questions.
1. What qualifies a pirate to be a Pirate Lord? Simply being a captain and there is only 9 captains left? That doesn't quite make sense nor seem logical.
2. Why does Becket have all the remaining pieces of eight minus the one on Jack's bandana?
3. Along the lines of #2. There was some conversation between Becket and someone else about the pirate gathering, Calypso, etc. that it sounded as though Becket had some part in Colypso being imprisoned durring the last gathering of the bretheren. I'll have to see it again but that peaked my interest. Is it possible that at some point Becket was either pirate himself or made a deal with pirates in the past?
I don't believe the curse is broken. The Dutchmen's hold on Davy's crew has been removed and they are all free to leave. Bootstrap chooses to stay and assist Will. Bootstrap says that the Dutchmen has a purpose again. He's referring to the fact that Will's job is to look after those who die at see and ferry them to the other side. Jones betrayed his duty and suffered because of it. What makes the whole curse thing confusing to me is that in DMC we hear the reason his heart was put in a chest and hid from the world. Jones cut out his heart because the betrayal caused him such pain. Will's situation is quite different he and Liz both love each other and there is no betrayal. Or is it pain that he cannot be with the one he loves but once every 10 years. Why can't will keep his heart inside his body and still be the captain of the Dutchmen? Ok that sounded a lot like a "can't they just keep their internal organs to themselves?" kind of question LOL Maybe I'm trying to think about it too hard.
Anyone else notice that the Pirates Code book said "Codex" on the cover lol Thought that was funny.
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Jun 18th, 2007 04:30 AM |
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tee_pirategirl
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1. There were nine pieces of eight to begin with and those were passed on hense nine pirate lords. But there are other pirate captains.
2.Pieces of eight were the currency of the time so the pieces of wight on his desk are just that...pieces of eight. Not the "pieces of whatever we happened to have in our pockets at the time" that the brethren used.
3. I'm not sure (I don't remember that conversation) but I don't think so. Why would he need Jack if he had that much information? If he had a part in Calypso's imprisonment wouldn't he guess what they were up to?
ok QUESTION! How did becket know the song needs to be sung??
"Sir they've started singing."
"Finally."
He obviousely knew. How?
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Jun 18th, 2007 01:10 PM |
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Best guess on Beckett's knowing about the singing: Just as he knew about the Brethern of the Coast and the pirate codes set down by Bartholmew and Morgan, as he knew about Isla Muertes--boy's a spy-o-holic. He tortured someone who wasn't strong and found out that once the call to arms (the singing) occurred, then the pirate lords would have to meet. The Brethern of the Coast--that's how they were come to the 9 pirate lords, one pirate king (who retains the pirate lord title). Evidently it lasts until the next gathering of the Brethern.
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Hambah
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I don't really have the time to go through the questions to see if this one has already been asked, and if it has, I'm sorry, but please just give me a quick answer.
Why cant Elizabeth come on the Dutchman with Will? Like become part of his crew- sail with him?
Thanks.
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Jun 26th, 2007 05:45 AM |
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tee_pirategirl
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I think u have to be dying for that to be possible also that line by bootstrap explains it when he said: "Where we are bound she cannot come."
Something like that!
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Jun 26th, 2007 01:42 PM |
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yeah...i can't read all of this too...but that is one big question i've yet to figure out...and it's maddenling unhelpful.....why does Will have to carve his heart out? I've asked this many times before...possibly on other threads.....Davy carved his heart out because the pain of loosing his love was more than he could bear "so he carved him heart out and put it in a chest and hid it away from the world".......so, why does Will have to carve his heart out, again I ask?????? Very confusing....and contradictory...just like in POTC 1....Barbossa tells Liz that because he is immortal...neither dead nor alive (which is the same for Will now)...that he can not enjoy the pleasures of life..including the touch of a woman...so how is Will able to "consummate" his marriage on the beach with Liz...is it because for "one Day" he is mortal again???? Maddenling confusing......It would have been much more better...if they had just let Jack stab the heart and become Captain of the FD...and let Will and Liz be together if that was what they wanted to do...much more better than her having to stay away from Will for 10 years and raise her son alone...I wonder What Jack did with himself during those 10 years??????
Why couldnt' Will and Liz just realize they were never meant to be, obviously fate kept intervenning...much better if she were released from her vows and FREE to go on adventures with jack and the other Pirates....
oh well....that's the way it goes though...as someone said over at KTTC right after the release of the movie....Life is Cruel..why should life after AWE be any better......
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Hambah
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Thanks everyone.
I have another quick question.
Here is the clip from the scene where Elizabeth sees her father:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7xdFlEyj...ser&search=
Look at the 1:29 mark, where everyone is rushing up to see Elizabeth while shes upset and yelling to her father, but Jack just stands in place. He looks sad, but it's really hard to read the look on his face. Why does he just stand in place, and what does that look mean?
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I noticed how he stood there.. I wondered why, too!
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