he didn't kill fake Ras, he tosses a hot iron rod upstairs somewhere which landed on gunpowder, saved (the real Ras) and left sh*t to explode and even then, the ninjas that "died" from the monastery reappeared later in the film.
as i stated before, Ras' fate was the result of his own doing. If you guys aren't happy with Batman Begins, and prefer Burton's batman, jeez, i dont know where ive been doing, i dont know how you people sleep at night, sometimes this is a sick twisted world.
and if Burton's batman just started crimefighting, why does he look like he's 40 and where did he get all his stuff...
Well just because someone complains about something in a movie does not mean they don't like it. I'm not all involved in it like that there are things I don't like about the three Batman movies I love but I'm not one of these pissy little fanboys/gurls who sit up and ***** and moan about one director over the next. Like I said I am a laid back Batman fan I enjoy any well made film about the character even if some liberties are taken as can be expected anyway.
I think Burton's Batman was doing vigilante stuff for a while but I think the Batman persona didn't develop until later in the myth because the criminals had too vague a description of him on the rooftop and he was considered a rumor and a myth that was fresh and new among the press so I don't think he had been operating for that long in the shadows, but he could have been. I just doubt he was taking things like the Batmobile out unnoticed.
__________________ Bruce: You've got, sort of a dark side, don't you?
im not a pissy moaning fanboy crying over the past but im trying to make a point here and that "burton is a moron when it comes to batman". Directors can make or break a film, its people like Peter Jackson who truly knows how to create a film of epic proportions, or you can pick joel schumacher to direct a film...I admire what Zack Snyder did with 300 and Frank Miller's exact adaptions of his graphic novels, its beautiful, and i love what Chris Nolan did with Batman, and i pray Jon Favreau does a good Iron Man movie cuz god, he sounds pretty damn convincing when he said he's bringing iron man back to its roots, and doing a 'true to its source' kinda there, where as no altered origins or powers just because he thinks its cooler (yes references to organics and sandman)
and yeah i can remember now that Batman 89, bats just started out, with the press ranting n whatnot over a 6 ft bat, its just, how the hell did he get all that stuff...lol
problem with Burton's batfilms was that it didnt focus too much on Batman...it focused on the dark, sinister, evil, deprived, perverse, misunderstood, and suffering villains that appeals to Burton...man is he sick minded...i think Burton's film dived deep into the villains and their motive were clear, what we didnt get to understand well was Batman and Bruce himself, a young man, a donald trump of his day w/ money, but where's the women? where's the publicity? In Bruce Wayne's place, was a half balding pudgy beer belly loner, who hangs out behind two way mirrors while people sample wine in his mansion...
And I don't think Tim Burton broke the film. It was a well made entertaining film there are a few things that could have improved generally:more focus on Batman, Batman's martial arts, and maybe Batman not killing, though I did not care that much. But because there were things wrong with it doesn't mean it was a bad movie or that Burton is a moron IMO.
There were quite a few things that annoyed me about Begins but it was still a good movie and I wouldn't sit around claiming Nolan is an idiot even if I did think the movie overall was rather uninspired and so desperately flat and unimaginative. It was still a well made movie and the story was good.
__________________ Bruce: You've got, sort of a dark side, don't you?
well in terms of success, a broad audience loved batman 89 like Spider-Man 1-3 (despite the changes, why do they have to change so much stuff anyways?) and maybe in the future spider-man will be looked at just like Batman 89, a financial success, yet a mediocre film when compared to a later remake or re-envisioning (to me not horrible but the Spiderman films could be so much better, especially spiderman 3).
I loved Batman Begins, it was real and gritty almost a slap in the face of how the transition was from previous batfilms to this one. I love how it was grounded in realism, i understand why the fight scenes were done the way they were, i loved the orchestral score and the tone of the film. I can guess we wont ever see villains like Clayface or KillerCroc but its no big deal to me. Well afterall this i dont know if we have come to common ground or an understanding at all lol i still think Burtons a moron but atleast we like Batman Begins
great point,to that logic that would apply to the Keaton/Burton Lovers who piss and moan over the past of the schumacher Batman films as well,that they need to join that group as well of moaning fanboys who cry over the past to make a point.
Great point on Keaton.the Keaton apologists though -as someone else said so brilliantly over on the Burton is a moron thread-lol,they just dont get it though no matter how many times you try and drill it into their heads. also as you said earlier,thats a weak point brought up that he killed any of those ninjas in the cabin fire because all you got to do is look at and freeze the frames and you can see they are going out the windows in the cabins,yes they are on fire but theres no evidence that he killed them.Obviosuly since they came back later,they were just minor scars on their skin that they easily were able to put out the fires on their clothes in the snow.
Batman Begins was just unimaginative overall though IMO. It was a good movie but it just didn't have "it" for me. I walked away feeling satisfied in an underwhelmed sort of way.
__________________ Bruce: You've got, sort of a dark side, don't you?
I piss and moan over the Shumacher films because they were not good films period. Batman inaccuracies aside they just sucked. Batman Forever could have been good but Batman and Robin never had a prayer.
__________________ Bruce: You've got, sort of a dark side, don't you?
yeah exactly, like they did not show any of those ninjas actually dying. Thats why they came back by the masses for the climax!! lol they're ninjas, illusions and stuff!!
i walked away from Batman Begins with a sense of renewal, a breath of fresh air, the fact that they took time to show the journey of Bruce becoming Batman gives the audience more of an idea of why he actually parades around as a bat. I cannot stress enough that Nolan hit the nail straight on the head with Batman Begins
he put a simple plan into action, gunpowder igniting and blowing the place up and escape. Any ninjas that did die, did not die by Bruce but by dangerous elements and hazards in the environment, the risk of living within/practicing ninjitsu in a monastery filled with hallucinogens, weapons, fire arms and explosives, its a ticking time bomb waiting to go wrong, they chose to be in the monastery, there are escape routes and everyone always has a choice and they chose to be there...
Keaton Batman put a plan into action, placing a bomb and blowing Axis Chemicals up to prevent the poison from doing any more harm to Gotham. Any thugs that did die, did not die by Batman, but by dangerous elements in the environment, the risk of working within/ producing poison in a factory filled with guys with weapons, firearms and explosives, it's a ticking time bomb waiting to go wrong, they choose to be in the factory, there are escape routes and everyone always has a choice and they choose to be there...
Burton Haters, just like "Keaton Apologists" need to make peace, because, to quote Jack Nicholson, "Nobody wants a war", if we can't agree, "we'll just shake and that'll be that." Again, no one said you had to like Burton's movies, but you don't have to completely bury it on a public forum... There are people who like those as films and need to be respected...
the only way to know for sure is if Keaton's real motive was to infact prevent poison from harming gotham. Because i know Bale's motive was to create a diversion and escape from having to kill the prisoner.
You can say that again. To misquote the upcoming movie "Some men arent looking for anything logical, they cant be bullied, bargained or reasoned with some men just wanna see Burton burn."
__________________ Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.
- General George Patton Jr
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Jul 28th, 2007 02:23 AM
,somenody please explain this to him again.
