No dbz character has ever taken a planet destroying blast and lived, Goku was killed when cell blew himself up for instance, they had to I.T when buu blew up earth etc. Goku has been burned by fire twice and Amaterasu burns pretty hot. Itachi forms seals with out anyone seeing them. There is no clear indication of dbz fighters speed, the only thing that was ever given a numerical figure was I.T. For all we know they could max out at a few times the speed of sound. But then again Sharingan really should not work on anyone outside Naruto, it relies on chakra to predict a persons movements...
How qould Gokou punch him before the Sharigan could activate? Sharigan is instant. As soon as Gokou looked at him to attack he'd be caught in it. And Amaterasu would burn the flesh while their blast doesn't. At least not to the same effect anyways. Gokou is affected by cold and heat.
It is said that it's a force from within that everybody has. It never shows what it looks like because nobody can see into bodies in DBZ. Chakra is just shown to be flowing and explained more also. I've always just assumed that chakra was just another way of explained Ki be it like DBZ or Street Fighter or Fatal Fury. *shrugs* Maybe I'm wrong but that's just what I've always thought of it.
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Okay, Goku ITs to Itachi and kills him, IT is instant, just like the Sharingan, and don't bring up that "he has to touch his forehead" argument, he only does that if the place he needs to go isn't in sight. Also, Frieza, severely weakened, had only one arm and was cut in half, survived Namek's explosion, so yes, they have more resistance than a planet, King Cold even says "My son is not as easily destroyed as a planet." As for DBZ characters actual speed, they fly across the world to fight whoever in a few minutes, and that's not even their top speed as they are trying to conserve energy. You know how some Naruto characters move so fast that they can't even be seen? Master Roshi could do that in his fight with Krillin in Dragonball. Hell, they could leave after images in DB.
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Why would I say he has to touch his forehead? Also speed really has nothing to do with it. IT while instant in travel isn't instant in doing. He has to lock onto a ki source. If I assume Chakra and Ki are the same then he could lock onto Itachi though from anywhere. It would all matter what is faster. Gokou getting the place he needs to It to or Itachi looking into his eyes. I'd go with Itachi's being the faster to do. Gokou looking at him, goes to IT behind him and he's already caught in a genjutsu.
Course if I'm wrong and Sharigan won't work on Gokou because chakra just isn't another name for energy inside of stuff then Gokou would probably win easily.
As for surviving planet explosions.... Gokou is still affected by the cold and heat, and hurt by blasts that aren't nearly enough to destroy the planet yet somehow he's suppose to be able to survive a planet being destroyed? It makes no sense at all.
DBZ speed is for a whole different debate that I'm not in the mood to get into when it has nothing to do with this.
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Since Itachi is right in front of him he would not need to lock onto his Ki, he's right there. And when was Goku affected by the cold and heat? If Frieza can survive a planet explosion it's only logical that Goku can.
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Trust me chakra is quite well explained all through out the series, its completely different from ki in dbz and the only thing similar between them is that the end product of both is energy projection. Ki as far as i remember just comes from with in a persons body with no official explanation of how.
Like I said I just assumed Naruto went into more depth about the whole energy control then other animes. Gohan explains to Videl that everybody has ki and it's inside everything. Both Ki and Chakra can only be used to what you're limit is also. And shouldn't genjutsu not work on Lee if it affects Chakra?
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She got over her heomophobia (spelling) when she fought Orochimaru to protect naruto.
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It would affect lee exactly the same as anyone else, Lee has chakra, but he simply cannot mould, control or release it. Unless he tries opening one of the gates. Even with thta, he cant controll it.
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That's different, Frieza is able to breathe in space because of his biology, whereas Goku cannot. Goku has even greater durability than Frieza so he would survive the same thing(when I say survive I mean his body would not be dead by the blast, if he stayed in space he would die without air but he could just IT to the closest planet to fix that little problem).
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Frieza was blown to pieces he only survived due to being found and put back together. Goku has never survived a planet explosion so why is it only logical he can?
You forget that Frieza was already blown in half and was about to die then Goku gave him enough energy to escape and live, but tried to kill Goku, so Goku blasted him, and then the planet blew up, AND HE SURVIVED! Goku at the end of DBZ was AT LEAST 10 times stronger than Frieza so it's only logic that he would survive.
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When you say Goku has never survived planet destroying blasts what about the Kamehameha? It was stated that Cell's Kamehameha would of destroyed the solar system if he wasn't stopped by Gohan. Not that it matters since in a fight with Itachi Goku's durability won't play a factor in this fight.
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quite a few delusions around here. lets start with the dante bashing{and im not even gonna try n reply to boobsmage's humurously silly posts}
dante's appearance in shin megaten is probably cannon. ive explained this before. hes essential to the plot. everything in amallah. plus the devil may cry team was part of the shin megaten nocturne team. it all checks out.
and even if we dont consider those appearances. in dmc itself. hes taken on world destroying/dimension shattering{mundus} and universe destroying beings/abstracts{despair embodied} its not even a fight between him and the kyuubi let alone tsunade. as for his speed feats, i gave quit a long post while back which easily explains to any1 sensible that dante is verifyably godlike. no1 in naruto can match up.
next comes genjutsu. magee your obsessed with ONE explanation of genjutsu there are a total of three major ones given at different time in the series.
1. genjutsu acts on the person's five senses hearing, smell, taste, touch. by manipulating them a person can be deluded. out of this, sound is the hardest to predict as it has already hit completely by the time you recognise it.{given by shikamaru when fighting curse mark 2 sound kunoichi who used a FLUTE to cast genjutsu. he was explaining to temari. and from the situation and talk it can clearly be seen that chakra circulation targetting is not included in this explanation. }
2. genjutsu{tsukiyomi} acts on the person's soul. its an illusion covered in layers of PAIN. your SOUL does not know the difference between real and illusion. that is why it feals the complete pain.{said to kakashi by itachi in konoh, the first time he used tsukiyomi on him. it can easily be seen from this that tsukiyomi works directly on the SOUL, protected by layers of PAIN,and doesnt require the targetting of the chakra circulatory system. it can also be verified form the fact that kakashi was ACTUALLY sick /bedridden for weaks after it which cant happen just by an illusion or chakra system manipulation. furthermore, we can see that the soul explanation is correct because when naruto tried to shut down his chakra to the head as trained, he still cant snap out of itachi clones even NORMAL genjutsu. furthermore, tsukiyomi proves that it doesnt need to be your senses that are fealing it as itachi has cast illusions on people with eyes shut and countering shaaringan}
3. genjustu works by attacking the person's chakra circulatory system. it can be countered by controlling and stopping your chakra flow.{given by jiraya when naruto was training with him in time skip to learn to counter genjutsu styled opponents}
we can see form this that infact there are THREE ways. each different from he other, by which genjutsu can be cast.
now, goku not have taken a planet destroing blast. actually, frieza shot back PRE SUPER SAYIN vegeta's planet destroying{namek} blast back in space with a SINGLE KICK. he was not even at 10% normal power back then. and even normal goku fought him evenly, before creating an energy blast which could have easily destroyed a planet if he didnt carerfully aim. this didnt even harm frieza. who went on to 100% power and fought goku{creating his own planet destroying blast in the proces which destroyed namek in 10 minutes} goku went on to become super sayin and easily dealt with frieza and clearly stated "even if you can destroy a planet, you cant defeat me". later on earth, trunks in his super sayin, easily held, with one hand, a blast by frieza, 20 times more powerful than his namek destroying one and neutrralised it andcut frieza into pieces. the same trunks was not even a match for the incoming goku who evaded every blow of his single handedly. later cell, in his cmplete version was far far FAR more powerful than any of the metioned characters, and yet super sayin 2 gohan TOYED with the being who could destroy the entire solar system. i cud go on and on with the gt feats or droids ones of super sayin 4s gogeto, mystic gohan, majin bu, brolly etc etc. in the end theres no ground to the claim that goku cant take a planet destroying blast, he takes them more than he takes punches. and reguardless of amaterasu being hotter than any star core, i doubt if goku would be defeated by it.
next, goku cant sense an incoming attack/counter genjutsu. actually if you remember, using ki, all dragon ball characters can sense the universe/events/incoming attacks/movement etc. this was shown by vegeta first in his fight against frieza when gohan/piccalo and the other cudnt see frieza's movement as it was far too fast for human comprehansion and light to keep up while vegeta easily saw it using his ki sense. they use it all the time, to sense when vessals are approaching etc. its elaborate, and if you dont know about it, uve never seen dragon ball.
lastly, goku not moving fast enough. goku can move at near lightspeed and extrapulantly, beyond it, in battle. hes shown it in his galactic battles. if you dont wanna accept that then, there is the move he learnt from the aliens which lets him instantly teleport which he first showed off by stealing his teacher's glasses and reappearing back simultaneously from the other side of the globe.
end, NO1 from naruto, not even the kyuubi can even hope to fight goku. hes right up there with other anime characters from, slayer, bastard, saint seiya, tenchi etc. its not reasonable to pit him against naruto characters{although i love the later far more}.
anyway, this isnt goku or itachi vs thread. dante vs tsunade. tsunade pees herself to death. dante wins.
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