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Rayfan27
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Darth Maul is Definitly the best ok, so he mesed up and paid for it but has more skill. yoda was very impressive though! 
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Jan 6th, 2003 08:08 PM |
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Dexx
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darth maul is a very good character but he's far from the best. Ush, i don't know if these separations are that accurate between saber skill and force power, in the movies. They are VERY linked. If one is sensitive to the force, how can the other one surprise him with an attack?
P.S.: watch something in slow motion. Just before Dooku cutting anakin's arm doesne't anakin just stand still for a second, like waiting for the blow? and dooku didn't inflict any flow on him..i checked dooku's moovement.
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Jan 6th, 2003 08:30 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Anakin realised he had been caught out.
Knowing something is coming and stopping it are two entirely different things. If you are outplayed with the sabre you are outplayed and that is it. Dooku is MUCH better than Obi-Wan with th Force but had to use his sabre to defeat him, nor did he use the same trick on Anakin twice once Anakin was prepared.
It is EXCEEDINGLY clear that once you are a reasonably trained Jedi then only by using the sabre do you have any chance of taking down a like-trained opponent. Yoy can use your Force powers to aid yourself in limited ways but sabre skill is by far the most important factor.
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Jan 6th, 2003 11:39 PM |
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Darth Ninja
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Exactly. That is one of the main reasons why Darth Maul and Darth Vader consider themselves warriors. They use the lightsaber more often than telekinesis, Force Lightning or other Force powers when dueling against Jedi.
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Jan 8th, 2003 01:30 PM |
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Dark Lord Djas
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What I was trying to say is that with the force Maul and Dooku are no match for Vader but without using it they would probably beat him. Although they might be able to do that Vader is still better than them.
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Jan 8th, 2003 03:18 PM |
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queeq
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But can one really wield a lightsabre well without the Force then?
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Jan 9th, 2003 10:27 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Frankly, Dooku struck me as not showing any less power than Vader... though at an older age, of course.
And queeq... well, it would be possible, with a LOT of training, for a normal guy to wield a weapon like that, as there ARE some real-life weapons that are as dangerous to the user as the opponent like a lightsabre is. But none quite THAT dangerous, and nothing as ludicrously self-destroying than Maul's sabre! All in all, compared relatively to a Jedi, you'd have to say no. And I would assume that it is only the Jedi's ability to sense things before they happen that allows them to intercept laser fire, and so on.
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Jan 9th, 2003 12:08 PM |
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queeq
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That was exactly my point, Ush. Thanks.
Of course, one can use a lightsabre. We can use sabres and swords, but we're talking about a weapon in a universe called SW. Deflecting laserbolts or even frantic attacks like OB1's when charging at Maul, would be nearly impossible for a non-Force user. So then, what's the point in using one, if only non-Force users would be defeatable, while they can choose from such a wide array of other lethal weapons.
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Jan 9th, 2003 12:46 PM |
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Darth Ninja
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Yes, a lightsaber would most certainly be dangerous to wield. Considering, that all you have to do is touch yourself with it to get injured.
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Jan 9th, 2003 05:12 PM |
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queeq
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Same with a sharp sword though. I don't think it's the wielding itself that is so dangerous, more that you're using it in a universe with many lethal weapons. To be able to best those with a sabre requires exceptional skills and undoubtably the Force.
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Jan 10th, 2003 09:20 AM |
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finti
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and some poor ass shooters
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Jan 10th, 2003 10:07 AM |
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Ushgarak
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A lightsabre is far more lethal to yourself than a sharp sword. There is no flat edge and even the merest brush will hurt you. You are as likely to hurt yourself as your opponent; swordfighting often involves contact with your weapon.
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Jan 10th, 2003 11:48 AM |
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finti
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No paper cuts there
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Jan 10th, 2003 11:59 AM |
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queeq
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Nevertheless, not hurting yourself is trainable. Welding torches are dangerous, yet people do handle them with hurting themselves.
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Jan 10th, 2003 02:21 PM |
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Ushgarak
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Yes, for sure, but a sabre is just a very, VERY dangerous thing to use! No good with any real-life sworfighting technique (except, again, fencing...) Maul's one being, as I say, ridiculous.
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Jan 10th, 2003 02:42 PM |
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Darth Ninja
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You can touch any part of a sword, even the blade (not recommended) without cutting yourself. You can NOT touch the blade of lightsaber without being injured. You would be better off touching white hot iron than a lightsaber blade. 
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Jan 12th, 2003 05:42 AM |
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queeq
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Manydangerous can't be touched without getting hurt.
Now Maul's sabre I agree upon. That is EXTREMELY dangerous. But how many fencers or kendo fighters touch their own blades during fights????
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Jan 13th, 2003 08:34 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Kendo fighters all the time. Swordfighting very commonly involves light contact with your blade.
Epee or foil fencing is different but we all know they aren't fighting like that...
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Jan 13th, 2003 11:08 AM |
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finti
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we should introduce Axe fighting
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Jan 13th, 2003 11:14 AM |
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Darth Ninja
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You can use a sword to throw someone in some Japaneses sword fighting styles.
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Jan 14th, 2003 01:14 PM |
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